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In-ground Pool Boarding supplies

I would love to know how others are keeping costs down to board pools. I am currently getting pool boarding bids for around 6-800 dollas from the PP middlemen and have trouble seeing any value in doing these jobs at the moment.
Per HUD specs, here is my typical materials price list for a large size in-ground pool:
2X6X16, 2X6X20 (for the real monsters), amount 20-30 ~$250-$350
pool chemicals ~$85
16D nails ~$50
6 mil plastic sheeting ~$100
#10 rebar remesh sheets @~$7.50 per sheet, amount 15 ~$112
staples ~$30
portable pool pump (initial investment ~$300-$600).
Excluding pool pump investment, materials alone are around $650.
HUD pays $1050 for this (max allowable).
So I would do these jobs for $1050, no less.
But the middlemen PP companies want their 30-40% charge for being middlemen.
Any comments or thoughts on any aspect of what I have presented here would be greatly appreciated.
btw, what portable pool pumps are you guys using?
thanks!!!
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Sounds to me like you answered your own question. I would point out that the draining and treating should be separate charges from the boarding. Also worth noting is that there technically is no hud guideline for boarding pools anymore.
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oteroproperties thank you for the info. I did not know that there are technically no hud guidelines for pool boarding. The Work Order usually says "board to HUD specifications". If you have any more info on this you want to share, that would be awesome..
Yes, I agree that draining and treating should be separate charges, but these PP middlemen have an incredulous way of expecting contractors to work for free until the contractor spends half his day sending dispute emails and calling up the accounting department. It is the most loathsome aspect, methinks, to this business..
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The guidelines they are referring to are old and not in use by hud anymore. However companies are still referring to it when a safety cover cannot be installed. I still board pools but I bid them now. I just boarded a pool that was 14 x 28 which would fall in the $1050 allowable on the previous guidelines. I bid $1800 which was approved. I used RepairBase to do the estimate, Time and material. If you have a client that doesn't allow this structure its because they take the margin for them selves. I would decline those jobs if you cant bid them. I know its hard to decline work when you need it, but if we keep supplying the regionals with good labor they will stay in business. We need them to go away.
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The guidelines they are referring to are old and not in use by hud anymore. However companies are still referring to it when a safety cover cannot be installed. I still board pools but I bid them now. I just boarded a pool that was 14 x 28 which would fall in the $1050 allowable on the previous guidelines. I bid $1800 which was approved. I used RepairBase to do the estimate, Time and material. If you have a client that doesn't allow this structure its because they take the margin for them selves. I would decline those jobs if you cant bid them. I know its hard to decline work when you need it, but if we keep supplying the regionals with good labor they will stay in business. We need them to go away.
Hey otero,
I have thought about this alot lately, now that some of the National Clients, FHA, HUD, ect; are realizing the middlemen are the key fraud players i would love to organize ourselves starting with a meeting say neutral to the East Coast and work in regions. Put our plan in place send someone to the nationals and shed the true light on how to cut cost, have direct contact with the true laborers and see what happens??????
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deputy138 - I am having the same thoughts exactly. I think http://foreclosurepedia.org/ is really spear-heading leveling the playing field between Labor (contractors) and the fraudulent paper-pushers.
We are at War.
And these shyster paper pushers will eventually end up in front of a Congressional Commission or out of business.
All they are is agents, pushing Work Orders from A to B and then back from B to A. They deserve no more than 20% of the Work Order price, and thats where P&P is heading.
If the banks are smart they will reduce the middleman's take to less than 10%, not the obscene 40-70% they are taking now.
$7 to change a lock? get real.
This isn't the Phillipines. Or is it?
btw, Aspen Grove farms out their background checks to 2 companies. one of them is Sterling. Guess where Sterling farms out their processing and customer service? The Phillipines. I kid you not. They pay these people $3.50/day to handle US citizens most sensitive data. Real secure.
Insanity has take over this country.
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oteroproperties thank you for the info.
What does RepairBase cost? I couldn't find anything on their website, they want you to register first. Red flag for me. Software sounds good though.
Open source will eventuallty crush all the PPWs and Pruvans.
I'm thinking Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware or a good Drupal site should do the trick..
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Repair base charges $10 per bid.
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if you know anything about inground pools, the water in the pool keeps the walls of the pool stable. If you drain the pool, it will cause the pool to cave in over time which could cost you a lot in backcharges or insurance claims. As far as boarding, they don't really do them anymore, we now install safety covers, which is still far less than it should be. The hud allowable is about 1/2 of what any pool company would charge and it requires 2 visits due to measuring and ordering. It could take more time than its worth unless the pool already has anchors
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madxtreme01 thanks for the info. but still, if I get a work order that says
board to pool to HUD specs
that says the 2X6 framing method to me...
(???)

I am beginning to see that this business is truly a loaded minefield for the contractor.
Looks like i will be pulling the plug on it sometime soon.
NAMFS and their clients are pushing all the sh~t downhill and the chump contractor will either take it like a b~tch or fight back or crawl under a rock and die.
I look around and i see alot of people crawling under rocks to die.
Sad whats happened to this country.
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