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I thought this forum was a place we go to talk and learn so far all I have seen very little positive advise everything negative about the business and most of the time smart a$$ replies to other peoples post I have come to the conclusion you all really just don't give a dam I don't have time to cry over more paperwork or because they reassigned the job that I bid because I was too high My point is if you are just going to fuss about it and never change it then all you are doing is writing it down in this forum and getting another negative response Pick yourself up move forward and do what needs to be done to get the job done right My father was an electrician and plumber selfemployed over 50 years and worked from daylight to dark my mom would always have his supper in the oven for him when he got home and when he got home he still had to do paperwork he was always the first one up and the last one to go to bed Just wanted to throw this out there Give advise to new members don't run them off before they even get started I joined this thinking I would get some helpful tips Some times I did most of the time I haven't Well I got a tip alright that the longer I stay in it I will become bitter nasty resentful to my other fellow contractors that are trying to make a living also I think I will just keep seeking advise from my father
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I thought this forum was a place we go to talk and learn so far all I have seen very little positive advise everything negative about the business and most of the time smart a$$ replies to other peoples post I have come to the conclusion you all really just don't give a dam I don't have time to cry over more paperwork or because they reassigned the job that I bid because I was too high My point is if you are just going to fuss about it and never change it then all you are doing is writing it down in this forum and getting another negative response Pick yourself up move forward and do what needs to be done to get the job done right My father was an electrician and plumber selfemployed over 50 years and worked from daylight to dark my mom would always have his supper in the oven for him when he got home and when he got home he still had to do paperwork he was always the first one up and the last one to go to bed Just wanted to throw this out there Give advise to new members don't run them off before they even get started I joined this thinking I would get some helpful tips Some times I did most of the time I haven't Well I got a tip alright that the longer I stay in it I will become bitter nasty resentful to my other fellow contractors that are trying to make a living also I think I will just keep seeking advise from my father
Thanks for your advice. Many questions that you have can be answered by using the search tab. Please forgive most of the experienced people here, for they've moved on to greener pastures.
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The folks that don't supplement their P&P with private clients either will be out of business or in another field soon, they just havent realized it yet. Out of approx a dozen forums I'm involved in from tech/politics/outdoors, this is about as polite a group as can be expected. The camping folks are pretty tame unless you are debating what generator to buy for your RV.
This forum spun from a website called "Contractor Talk". Much more blunt and harsh than you see here. Plumbers, painters, electricians, most are very good at what they do and also rough around the edges.
The reality of P&P is that it is a corrupt and ruthless industry. The majority of topics concern chargebacks, insurance scams, shorted invoices...being positive about all that won't help anyone. Being truthful and honest about it will. If sounding negative about it is a buzzkill, sorry.
I'm sharing my 10+ years in this business to help others, and to help them move on. I do very little REO/Preservation for Nats now, but if the experienced won't help the new and uneducated learn about the tactics used to separate what they are owed from what they recieve, it will just continue.
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Great post in its entirety, as always GTX.

Professionals are people who can do their job when they don't feel like it.
Amateurs are people that can't do their job even when they do feel like it.
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Browneyed I'm sure your father is a smart and successful business man.

I am also sure that he would not be as successful in P&P as what hes been in electrical.


Did you realize that your negative review of the site and posters also fell into the same category as what you feel the site is? Negative.



Think this thru with me.
This industry by its default is designed around negative from the get go. I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure if I was getting evicted from my house that I had paid on for years because I lost my job, lost hours at my job, medical issues or what ever, that would be a very negative experience for me.

Now the P&P guy comes in to try and clean up whats been so sadly left behind.
And then you have the very negative things like payment denial, slow payment, charge backs, and not to mention very low pay scale to start with.............. I'm really not sure where the positive view point is to be found.
Please by all means post what you feel is positive about the industry, the state of the industry and/or the forum. Feel free to LEAD by good example. Don't sit back and wait for some one else to lead the way when you feel things are being done wrong, be like your dad and lead the way.

Professionals are people who can do their job when they don't feel like it.
Amateurs are people that can't do their job even when they do feel like it.
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I guess I was expecting How to resolve issues in the industry Not bitch about the problems in the industry Yes I agree it is a very negative situation from the get go and yes thank you my father is a very respectful business man in both electrical and plumbing and if you met him he is not rough around the edges and he treats people with respect. As for GTX63 I have other private clients this is not the only thing I do and reading your earlier post put a light on everything you would rather debate than to Problem Solve and correct me if I am wrong but this is a Problem Solving Business
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Debating is for sides that do not agree; problem solving is when parties can come to like minded solutions. From what you have already posted, it sounds like others here could learn from some of your experiences, so continue to share. Many of your questions will be answered thru the "search" tab. It's 9:15 here, so I'll be back in 12 hours to give you more good advice.
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I guess I was expecting How to resolve issues in the industry Not bitch about the problems in the industry Yes I agree it is a very negative situation from the get go and yes thank you my father is a very respectful business man in both electrical and plumbing and if you met him he is not rough around the edges and he treats people with respect. As for GTX63 I have other private clients this is not the only thing I do and reading your earlier post put a light on everything you would rather debate than to Problem Solve and correct me if I am wrong but this is a Problem Solving Business


Their will be no problem solving until people start taking a stand and saying NO! To many people sold the bill of goods they can do $20 grass cuts on volume Etc. Until those people are bankrupt, foreclosed on or actually smarten up this business will be what it is..............
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This must be your first online forum you have joined. Its extremely mild here. Go ahead and join pirate4x4 make a couple posts maybe asking whats a good suv to buy and let me know how that worked out for you...
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This industry is not for the timid. It certainly is NOT for the types who think the world is all roses and rainbows. You have to have a hard edge, or it will swallow you up and spit you out. If Zen is what you seek in life, stay far away from the PP world.
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