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MSI Bullying Tactics went to far

MSI will be held responsible.
They send us a int. secure order on the 20th of Feb. with the 2 day turn around nonsense or you will be held responsible for any plumbing damage. Just one problem the house was sold on the 13th of Feb.

Long story short.

MSI legal team sends us a demand letter to replace stolen items 1100 bucks in electronics. That after there ( 1 sided ) investigation they believe the home owner and we are to pay for so called missing items or they will forward our information to police. This my friend is extortion and your legal team are not very bright sending us that in writing. Funny they left out the part of the house had already sold and the order should have been never sent out.
Hey MSI you can not send out orders to break into homes that you have no rights too. Its a crime here in Philly. How dare MSI and your client put us at risk.
MSI refuses to give us the clients name who placed the order so the old bank on record was added to our claim.

Be very careful dealing with all the thief's and scammers in this industry.
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MSI will be held responsible.
They send us a int. secure order on the 20th of Feb. with the 2 day turn around nonsense or you will be held responsible for any plumbing damage. Just one problem the house was sold on the 13th of Feb.

Long story short.

MSI legal team sends us a demand letter to replace stolen items 1100 bucks in electronics. That after there ( 1 sided ) investigation they believe the home owner and we are to pay for so called missing items or they will forward our information to police. This my friend is extortion and your legal team are not very bright sending us that in writing. Funny they left out the part of the house had already sold and the order should have been never sent out.
Hey MSI you can not send out orders to break into homes that you have no rights too. Its a crime here in Philly. How dare MSI and your client put us at risk.
MSI refuses to give us the clients name who placed the order so the old bank on record was added to our claim.

Be very careful dealing with all the thief's and scammers in this industry.

Good lesson to ALWAYS check the status of a house BEFORE you secure. It's public record here and i would guess in most states. I ALWAYS call the local title company in the area i am working in before i secure a home. I have had NUMEROUS homes that have sold weeks before a secure order was issued. The Nationals still will want to argue with you though. Actually gave a new homeowner (they where remodeling before move in) a coordinators phone # a few years ago and then stood there and listened while he read them the riot act. Was pretty funny. Got a panicked call from the coordinator a few minutes later to cease all work, this after she chastised me a half hour before because i refused to follow "the banks" instructions and secure the home........
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Good lesson to ALWAYS check the status of a house BEFORE you secure. It's public record here and i would guess in most states. I ALWAYS call the local title company in the area i am working in before i secure a home. I have had NUMEROUS homes that have sold weeks before a secure order was issued. The Nationals still will want to argue with you though. Actually gave a new homeowner (they where remodeling before move in) a coordinators phone # a few years ago and then stood there and listened while he read them the riot act. Was pretty funny. Got a panicked call from the coordinator a few minutes later to cease all work, this after she chastised me a half hour before because i refused to follow "the banks" instructions and secure the home........

Um NO
Do more work for them for free don't think so.
We cover 10 counties do you know how much time that would cost us and they wont just give you the information and I'm not going to every court house to check.

So the contractor takes the blame.
Ill hold the company responsible for issuing an ill legal break in order.
A company issues a break in order they better Damn well have the right information and if they don't they will pay for THE mistake not me.
I'm not and will never be ok with someone risking the safety of our crews cause they didn't think it was important to cancel a work order we all have cell phones for crying out loud. make the call.
Its about time they are held responsible.
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Big Trucker,

We had a similar thing happen to us in '08.

We were not named in the lawsuit that followed BUT M*S wanted us to pay for all the legal bills and turned a claim on our E&O. We had to sue the law firm representing our E&O to stop the claim filed on us (so much for YOUR Ins Co protecting YOU ). We never signed the addition insured agreement in our contract so there wasn't any valid claim.

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Um NO
Do more work for them for free don't think so.
We cover 10 counties do you know how much time that would cost us and they wont just give you the information and I'm not going to every court house to check.

So the contractor takes the blame.
Ill hold the company responsible for issuing an ill legal break in order.
A company issues a break in order they better Damn well have the right information and if they don't they will pay for THE mistake not me.
I'm not and will never be ok with someone risking the safety of our crews cause they didn't think it was important to cancel a work order we all have cell phones for crying out loud. make the call.
Its about time they are held responsible.

What state are you in? Never had a problem getting this info in Montana Idaho or Washington. Usually a 5 minute phone call but it could save your ass. And your NOT doing work for them, Your doing work for yourself to keep you out of hot water. Part of being a professional in this business.....
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You can also call the listing agent to verify if the for sale sign is on the property. That's pretty painless. Usually takes a few days for the sign to come down after closing.
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Big Trucker,

We had a similar thing happen to us in '08.

We were not named in the lawsuit that followed BUT M*S wanted us to pay for all the legal bills and turned a claim on our E&O. We had to sue the law firm representing our E&O to stop the claim filed on us (so much for YOUR Ins Co protecting YOU ). We never signed the addition insured agreement in our contract so there wasn't any valid claim.

Good luck to ya

Yup, And i the end it still cost you although the attorney was likely less that the $5,000 deductible on your E&O. This is PRECISELY why i make EVERY EFFORT to verify the status of the property BEFORE i secure it. 8 years and it so far has worked flawlessly. Lost count on how many i DID NOT secure due to info i found. Let someone else take the fall. I don't have time for that......
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What state are you in? Never had a problem getting this info in Montana Idaho or Washington. Usually a 5 minute phone call but it could save your ass. And your NOT doing work for them, Your doing work for yourself to keep you out of hot water. Part of being a professional in this business.....
Couldn't agree more with the Mountain Man. It's your obligation to do your due diligence to ensure the property is being correctly secured. Moreover, it's even more imperative for you and your employees well being, and financial well being. It's foolish in this day and time to just brazenly do any sort of work on a property without verifying it's status if it is a first time visit. I'm sorry Bigtrucker, but you know exactly the mindset and mentality of the cubicle workers you are dealing with on a daily basis. To assume their word/instructions as scripture is asking for trouble with deep consequences.
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What state are you in? Never had a problem getting this info in Montana Idaho or Washington. Usually a 5 minute phone call but it could save your ass. And your NOT doing work for them, Your doing work for yourself to keep you out of hot water. Part of being a professional in this business.....
He stated Philly in a previous post. I can guarantee it's not as simple as a 5 minute phone call!!!
Philadelphia City Hall probably has more employees then most counties in Montana, Idaho and Washington!
I'm sure in Montana you can call Betty at the local town hall and chit chat about the weather, the local high school football team and get the info you need on a property, NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN PHILLY!
You have to go down to City Hall, spend $15 to park, take a number and wait 2 hours for your turn to speak with some idiot who probably won't be able to help you.
Now I'm not sticking up for Bigtrucker either! I think he is setting himself up for trouble down the road. Thats the problem when you get your orders from middleman, another reason to "Just Say NO"
Again, if you live in the sticks and get blind work orders then sure, call and check up on it, if you live in a major city, probably not going to be easy.
All of my rekeys come directly from the agent so I don't have these problems.
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On a side note, Philadelphia's City Hall is actually a beautiful and fascinating building!
Here are some fun facts.
It is the largest municipal building in the US (Larger then the US Capitol Building) and one of the largest in the world.
It's the tallest masonry building in the world.
It has 22' think granite wall foundation.
Took 30 years to build.
There are over 250 marble and bronze sculptures inside and out.
The city of Philadelphia was going to tear it down in the 1950's and build a new one but the cost of demolition, $25 Million dollars, would have literally cost more then building a new one and would have bankrupted the city!
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