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Anybody else wondering when we get to sign up for benefits with SG?

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Additionally you cannot push back and dispute a work order just because you donít like the pricing- there will be some orders you will break even with or even take a loss but unfortunately the pricing is what it is and it will not be altered. This is being monitored and watched, we will recruit and replace vendors who are placing fraudulent or frivolous bids as well as any vendors unjustly disputing scopes and pricing.

This is crazy. We aren't allowed to bid, and if we do we are subject to being fired. Any SG contractors on here willing to talk to the DOL?

Yes, I have regrets. There are things I wish I hadn't done . . ..things I should have done, but indeed, there are many things I'm happy to have done. It's all in a lifetime.
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Anybody else wondering when we get to sign up for benefits with SG?

From SG memo -

Additionally you cannot push back and dispute a work order just because you don’t like the pricing- there will be some orders you will break even with or even take a loss but unfortunately the pricing is what it is and it will not be altered. This is being monitored and watched, we will recruit and replace vendors who are placing fraudulent or frivolous bids as well as any vendors unjustly disputing scopes and pricing.

This is crazy. We aren't allowed to bid, and if we do we are subject to being fired. Any SG contractors on here willing to talk to the DOL?
Craigslist Hack has been saying for a long time that the numbers simply don't add up. How right he is....and with SafeGuard there will be no adding, only subtracting.

Your signature line says you have some regrets, some things you shouldn't have done.... Is signing with Safeguard one of those regrets ?
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If I only knew then what I know now...I've been with them for a while. In the beginning we were making good money...now, they've squeezed all the blood out of this turnip.

Yes, I have regrets. There are things I wish I hadn't done . . ..things I should have done, but indeed, there are many things I'm happy to have done. It's all in a lifetime.
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..... they've squeezed all the blood out of this turnip.

Hey, you are not the bloodless turnip, Safeguard is. Cut the parasite off!
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They crossed the line years ago. I know you don't want to hear it but you have held on too long. You need to position yourself to walk away.
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Run run far away from that garbage company. It's mind control. We walked when we replied to an auditors email asking for simple clarification and we got a reply we are not to speak to them. They control your work, your money and your mind if you let them. There's far better companies although few and far between that will still own a portion of what you do but offer much more flexibility, appreciation, and respect to you as a contractor. Reply to them ask them for their contractors license in your state to do business. I know my state requires that the company sending the work is licensed for the work they are subbing. My reply to all the bid cuts is simple...this is a bid from a licensed contractor. If you don't like my bid seek another. I'm in business like you to make money not work for peanuts.
We have done direct work for safeguard and third party a few times never have I seen a more ridiculously ran company. Good luck and again it's time all safeguard contractors walk away.
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Its ok you take a loss or break even, they are not taking a loss, they are buying islands!
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I always found it "odd" the similarities between the P&P business and the "new" insurance repair work similarities until the other day I was in a deposition when I got questioned for over an hour on how pricing of P&P work is determined. Being I have been "out" of the industry since 2011 except for some direct realtor work I couldn't respond to current pricing methods BUT I came to realize that price controlling in the insurance industry has/is becoming similar to the P&P business. Other industries are paying attention to the SG's business model.

Example: I am representing a homeowner in a large roof claim, the insurance companies estimating software is Xactimate. The insurance company used xactimate to "determine" the roof replacement cost at $255 per square for the entire roof structure (including all items such as 10 cents, ice/water shield, drip edge, felt, Rolloff container etc). The homeowner called several reputable roofing companies and none would complete for that price. Upon reviewing the case the actual "non-manipulated" pricing on xactimate reflects a price of $512 per square.
When talking to the adjuster his response was: " well we can find a lot of contractors who would be happy to do the job at that price and we won't adjust to the correct pricing" Does this sound familiar?

Coinsidence? Once maybe but when it's becoming a regular pattern it's more than an anomaly.

At least in the insurance repair trades those contractors are fighting back and it's a pleasure to be the one swinging the bat fighting back. Anyone want to learn this trade? P.m. me since more homeowner advocates are needed.
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Is this real?

Is this verbatim from their memo? Absolutely crazy.
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It is an obscene policy to expect that a contractor will do any job at a loss, I understand that when dealing with the "Nationals" and order mills not every job will return the degree of profit that we may want or expect, but I will not do a job at a loss, not happening. As for frivolous bids, they create the situation by not approving bids at a competitive rate or issuing the generic bid approval work orders that are 25 percent of what you bid. Stand by your principals and do quality work and you will survive. You will find a decent company to do work for. I receive work from one National wannabe and they expect as an allowable or line item bid to remove debris at $16.50 a cubic yard, and that is also to include cleaning roofs and gutters (or .33 cents a linear ft lol)...I don't do it and tell them I won't do it if called into question. Maybe because my on time and quality percentages are near a 100 percent is why they put up with it. My point is don't do work for free that is called being an indentured servant which went away in America 100 years ago. And yes sadly one day someone will come along and pick up garbage at $16.50 a yard or less and I will be shown the door...which is fine...this isn't servitude.
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