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When is Enough Enough???

This is a statement I made to a company yesterday when I was asked to asked to be specific about some of the issues we have all faced in this industry for the past couple of years...and only..at least to me...seem to be getting worse daily
Please tell me one of you have something in regards to the "correct terminology" subject mentioned..
All comments on any subject matter of the post are welcome!!!

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We haven't been screaming loud enough for the pertant parties to hear us for the past two years?????
As I said in a post regarding similar subject matter...what is going to take before...enough is enough?
>Will we have a tragic child injury on a job because someone can not afford a baby sitter while performing these services?
>Will some hiway fatality happen because someone does not have the proper credentials working for these second and third level companies because the nationals refuse to stop using them?
> Will there be a major lawsuit involving the entire industry because we are not allowed to use the correct terminology...MOLD...
>How long is it going to be before the bleach and kilz backfires because these companies are traded on the NYSE and have to monitor the bottom line and would rather put a bandaid on something the requires open heart surgery....
>How many people have filed bankruptcy in the past 18 months because they were coonvinced "volume" was the answer to $40 winterization services???

I have volunteered to assist with field training..ON MY DIME...with every organization our company has work with just so there would be some consistancy in our coverage area...
>Why the big seceret of who the vendor network is in a coverage area????
> Why won't the major nationals a share that information so the local vendors can work together providing the national with the highest quality service possible???
>Why does the vendor have to spend $5,000.00 in travel, hotels, rental cars etc to come to a convention to receive information?
>Why do the "boots on the ground" companies have to change their business model to accomodate the fat cats?

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well askin'...

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Very simple answer to this.

If you not comfortable doing the job quit.
If you not comfortable treating a property with bleach bid to fix it correctly, they don't like it quit.

Simple answer if you can't make money quit.

Your not going to change the way a bank works if you can't make money quit
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when its enough

Just got this in an email and the stream seemed correct to post here


1. Initial Inspection with systems test / up to 2 locks changed (24 Hour Timeline) $75 Flat Fee 2. Dry Winterization (24 Hour Timeline, to be included with Initial Inspection) $50 Flat Fee

A RESPONSE WITH AGREEMENT TO PRICING IS REQUIRED.

Further information to follow.



when you get an email like this and actually consider replyin " yea send some over " yup thats when its enough
24 hr turnover i guess there is no rush charge premium on this or is the 75 the premium and future pricing to be negotiated when its not rammed up there butt
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Just got this in an email and the stream seemed correct to post here


1. Initial Inspection with systems test / up to 2 locks changed (24 Hour Timeline) $75 Flat Fee 2. Dry Winterization (24 Hour Timeline, to be included with Initial Inspection) $50 Flat Fee

A RESPONSE WITH AGREEMENT TO PRICING IS REQUIRED.

Further information to follow.



when you get an email like this and actually consider replyin " yea send some over " yup thats when its enough
24 hr turnover i guess there is no rush charge premium on this or is the 75 the premium and future pricing to be negotiated when its not rammed up there butt
Got the same email......
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Very simple answer to this.

If you not comfortable doing the job quit.
If you not comfortable treating a property with bleach bid to fix it correctly, they don't like it quit.

Simple answer if you can't make money quit.

Your not going to change the way a bank works if you can't make money quit

Sorry to offend you wmhcl...
but it this precise attitude that allows these issues to continue to progressively get worse in the industry...
Would you let one of your children purchase a home the you knew had The "bleach and kilz" treatment vs. a mold remediation/abatement???

I'm sorry but you need to have the courage to say no...
QUITING is not the answer. I have more integrity than that...

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Got the same email......

PK or AMS???

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OUr response was...

Excuse me???

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You don't offend me at all.

The real problem is why you are completing the bleach and killz treatment!!! Do you complete it because they threat a chargeback??? If that's the cause your not a business owner and you should close your business because it's your business and not your clients. You need to run your business not have your business run you

I work for sg and locals and I do a ton of mold work over 100k a year for sg and they have never approved bleach and killz for me.

If its a small amount mold say under 100sqft the chemicals to treat it correct with fungicide and foster or a different brand of encaplsuation product its not that much at all. Maybe under 15 in product.


You are bidding the jobs wrong, bid to abate the mold bid to treat with fungicide and seal with foster 50, don't let them tell you how to bid. Remember your a sub conctractor and they can't make you bid it that way. If you don't want to do mold say you don't have pollution insurance and your not covered, believe me they don't make you complete the work.

The really problem I see is the conctractors wanting to squeeze every nickel out of every job. Guys that have never treated mold shouldn't be touching the stuff. when I go to the vendor conference all the guys bitch about reporting damages and never getting paid to repair them. You are doing an inspection reporting damages and giving eyeball estimate that's it, your not in the rehab business. Most guys in the p&p business couldn't float what it takes do rehabs for a bank client on average my acount rec is over 60k a month and its been at the high 150k. On insurance work it takes sometimes 90 plus days to get paid.



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Sorry to offend you wmhcl...
but it this precise attitude that allows these issues to continue to progressively get worse in the industry...
Would you let one of your children purchase a home the you knew had The "bleach and kilz" treatment vs. a mold remediation/abatement???

I'm sorry but you need to have the courage to say no...
QUITING is not the answer. I have more integrity than that...
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You don't offend me at all.

The real problem is why you are completing the bleach and killz treatment!!! Do you complete it because they threat a chargeback??? If that's the cause your not a business owner and you should close your business because it's your business and not your clients. You need to run your business not have your business run you

I work for sg and locals and I do a ton of mold work over 100k a year for sg and they have never approved bleach and killz for me.

If its a small amount mold say under 100sqft the chemicals to treat it correct with fungicide and foster or a different brand of encaplsuation product its not that much at all. Maybe under 15 in product.


You are bidding the jobs wrong, bid to abate the mold bid to treat with fungicide and seal with foster 50, don't let them tell you how to bid. Remember your a sub conctractor and they can't make you bid it that way. If you don't want to do mold say you don't have pollution insurance and your not covered, believe me they don't make you complete the work.

The really problem I see is the conctractors wanting to squeeze every nickel out of every job. Guys that have never treated mold shouldn't be touching the stuff. when I go to the vendor conference all the guys bitch about reporting damages and never getting paid to repair them. You are doing an inspection reporting damages and giving eyeball estimate that's it, your not in the rehab business. Most guys in the p&p business couldn't float what it takes do rehabs for a bank client on average my acount rec is over 60k a month and its been at the high 150k. On insurance work it takes sometimes 90 plus days to get paid.

I'm sorry but you have interpreted this incorrectly...I did not say I did any of the above.
We REFUSE to do bleach and kilz...That was a question I posed to a member of NAMFS...

my goal with this thread is to gather information...especially about mold vs "discoloration"

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