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So I have battled ALL winter with SG on their zones. I have worked since 09 doing grass cuts and until this season snow removal. Although, I grossed approximately 100K each year, I feel that I was spinning my wheels for nothing.

I have been getting 35.00 per grass cut with anywhere from 70-120 grass cuts in past years. The zones were huge and I ran my 06 F250 into the ground because of all the miles I drove for them.

I started working on Monday for the 2013 season. They had tried to give me 189 orders to start! I told them that I would not do their entire zone. They told me to take it or leave it. I left it and my regional called right back and allowed me to only work in certain counties. (this absolutely shocked me that they folded, but then found out that they only have one other guy and he is capped out currently in this zone).

To make a already long story short, I started going to these properties, two trucks, three guys plus, me. 35.00 per property to do an "Inititial Grass Cut" But of course, they want all the leaves, sticks, debris etc removed. They pay extra for bushes but of course they are all overgrown.

Out of the 50 I did in the first three days, 20 were so bad, that I couldn't even do work at them, many needed a spring cleanup (SG will say that they'll pay you to remove leaves BUT, they will always cut your pricing). I'm sick of the crap work and treatment. Today, I told my regional I want more money to do this work. She told me she would request it but said that anyone that did request it would be denied. If the properties just needed mowing that would be fine, but these properties are TRASHED. 1 hour or so for many properties (and that isn't even doing a great job).

I sat down with the wife, told her how I felt about SG. She absolutely hates them. They've sucked the life out of me. I did the ICPI and NCMA certifications for pavers and walls in the past few years and figure it's time to jump into that realm instead of mowing all day every day and then coming home at night and sitting in front of the computer for 5 hours. 18 hour days suck and I'm happy to be rid of SG and crap pay. I hope I didn't just plow my business under, but I'd rather try another more local strategy than driving over an hour to get to my first stop in the morning.

Thanks for listening to my rant. I hope others see a guy who was running 2 trucks for 4+ years for SG, finally realized they aren't worth the money.

One last thing. Anyone feel any better working for AMS rather than SG. I am signed up and their zone is VERY local for me. I am sure they have issues, but are they any better than SG?
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Many of us will need therapy after we quit SG....
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Last year we got HUD rates minus discount on lawns in our zone. This year they lowered price, but luckily they also pulled all the lawns away from me to give to grass only vendors(at a much lower price, of course). They did that last year but a week later I got them back because the grass only vendor couldn't cover the area.

Initials are almost always an issue - can you call from site to get higher approvals? This saves a considerable amount of time versus having to go back to the property.
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I sat down with the wife, told her how I felt about SG. She absolutely hates them. They've sucked the life out of me. ... instead of mowing all day every day and then coming home at night and sitting in front of the computer for 5 hours. 18 hour days suck and I'm happy to be rid of SG and crap pay. I hope I didn't just plow my business under, but I'd rather try another more local strategy than driving over an hour to get to my first stop in the morning.
Listen to your wife. Wives can have very good instincts about things like this. You are no good to her as you are. People that have your work ethic don't put themselves out of business for telling a low paying high volume slave driver/customers to talk a walk. Everything you wrote above could have been written by many numerous other folks on this forum. You will realize, probably later this year that you should have cut them loose even sooner.
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You Did the right thing Step out on faith you will never Fall My Friend!
Your wife was so right!
The therapist side of me says find your passion and do it and stick to it it will pay off in the long run!!! Be Well and be Happy

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Just did the 6 hour "training / test" with FAS they have yesterday and everyone was talking trash about Safeguard. FAS seems like it will be a good company. They ask for so much more paper work upfront. They take 6 hours telling you about every aspect of their company and **** and then send you practice orders to get in. I love this, I think it should be even harder to get in this industry because it keeps the prices high. SG lets anyone in.

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Safeguard is just the worst. If you knew what they were beign paid while giving you 35 bucks you would strap a bomb to your chest and run into their headquarters.

100k gross before 3 people and all that equipment? Yikes man. That is not even close to worth it. You could work in retail and do better. We fired them, and they call weekly. SG has ran through and abused most all fo their vendors. They went to "regional" vendors now who hire the CL crowd and do everything illegally putting all of the liability on themselves, and usually just trying to get away with screwing SG to make a buck.

My favorite part of your story is that the lady said she would ask for the increase, but it would be denied. Why even ask? Hilarious.

AMS is also terrible. While they are no safeguard, they want home inspection and cleaning to accompany every recut. So every recut is a recut and maid service. Plus they pay an effective 90 days out.

I wouldn't do it, but its your dime.
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Just did the 6 hour "training / test" with FAS they have yesterday and everyone was talking trash about Safeguard. FAS seems like it will be a good company. They ask for so much more paper work upfront. They take 6 hours telling you about every aspect of their company and **** and then send you practice orders to get in. I love this, I think it should be even harder to get in this industry because it keeps the prices high. SG lets anyone in.
Im not sure if your being sarcastic or not, but their is a reason FAS is looking for vendors! Everybody quit! They have been abused, and moved on. It used to be near impossible to get in with them, now they cant keep anyone! Just lost another one a few day ago.

Good luck, and be prepared to bend over............
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I feel that I was spinning my wheels for nothing.

I have been getting 35.00 per grass cut with anywhere from 70-120 grass cuts in past years. The zones were huge and I ran my 06 F250 into the ground because of all the miles I drove for them.



Thanks for listening to my rant. I hope others see a guy who was running 2 trucks for 4+ years for SG, finally realized they aren't worth the money.




I don't mean to be harsh but it took 4 years????????????????????????

I hope your next money loosing lesson doesn't take 4 years.
We've all had em, thats what makes us jaded and skeptical of pretty much all the companies out there offering work.

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Amateurs are people that can't do their job even when they do feel like it.
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Just did the 6 hour "training / test" with FAS they have yesterday and everyone was talking trash about Safeguard. FAS seems like it will be a good company. They ask for so much more paper work upfront. They take 6 hours telling you about every aspect of their company and **** and then send you practice orders to get in. I love this, I think it should be even harder to get in this industry because it keeps the prices high. SG lets anyone in.
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Im not sure if your being sarcastic or not, but their is a reason FAS is looking for vendors! Everybody quit! They have been abused, and moved on. It used to be near impossible to get in with them, now they cant keep anyone! Just lost another one a few day ago.

Good luck, and be prepared to bend over............





They tried to get me yesterday.


I held firm and didn't give in. lol


Yes I am jaded and skeptical, proud of it.

Professionals are people who can do their job when they don't feel like it.
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