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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 06-13-2013, 08:08 PM Thread Starter
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Stop complaining about prices

I apologize in advance to any that may be offended,

as business owners we learn that saving money is making money. you have to remember that the companies "we" work for are also in business and are also looking to maximize profits. I'm sure most people here have some type of employees or help, some of these employees do all the work while we push papers and send in photos (among other responsibilities most employees will never understand). Yet most aren't complaining about their $10-$14 an hour. if i could get someone to do lawns for $15-$20 each and not pay them if they do it wrong or miss a photo i would do it in a second, if you don't like someones prices simply don't work for them. If someone will do the same work for a cheaper price, even if it runs them into the ground and out of business, don't complain. Thats what business/capitalism is all about. I know many of us here have raped the banks on some jobs here, i always went home with a smile after making $4k in a day but you can't expect everyday to be like that. You don't like prices? you don't like policies? you don't like your state reps? you don't like backround checks? you don't like getting backcharged? Then don't work with companies. Remember as a business owner you don't for people you work with people.

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my issue was never national or regional pricing..becuse if i couldnt do it i just couldnt.. but the issue with me more so was that Ive done some sub work for a few guys right off this very forum. that either refuse to pay or just want you to work for prices that dont make sense.
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I am always curious to see what someone is paying their own help/crews/subs when they complain about pay .... like "Oh look at this chump offering $30 for a grass cut" .... makes me wonder what they pay their own grass cutters?
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some will take those same $30 grass cuts and try to sub them out taking 25% off them.. it is what it is.. but some people will learn and some will spin their wheels..
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some of these employees do all the work while we push papers and send in photos (among other responsibilities most employees will never understand). Yet most aren't complaining about their $10-$14 an hour. if i could get someone to do lawns for $15-$20 each and not pay them if they do it wrong or miss a photo i would do it in a second, if you don't like someones prices simply don't work for them. If someone will do the same work for a cheaper price, even if it runs them into the ground and out of business, don't complain. Thats what business/capitalism is all about. I know many of us here have raped the banks on some jobs here, i always went home with a smile after making $4k in a day but you can't expect everyday to be like that. You don't like prices? you don't like policies? you don't like your state reps? you don't like backround checks? you don't like getting backcharged? Then don't work with companies. Remember as a business owner you don't for people you work with people.

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Capitalism isn't about "raping" the banks. Not even close.

I don't advise working for any of the Nationals, I point out opportunities are better and more durable in the private sector. Claiming that as a business owner you are working "with" the nationals is naive.

Pushing papers and sending in pics while the employee does all the work?
Your business model seems a little different than mine.
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Capitalism isn't about "raping" the banks. Not even close.

I don't advise working for any of the Nationals, I point out opportunities are better and more durable in the private sector. Claiming that as a business owner you are working "with" the nationals is naive.

Pushing papers and sending in pics while the employee does all the work?
Your business model seems a little different than mine.
No offense taken.
I think that most people like us who get stuck pushing paper and sending pics wish they didn't have to. My partner has fallen into that role and has been trying to find a way out for a couple years, but we can't find anyone who knows how to deal with the vendors as well as he does. So I call him a lot while I'm driving on a nice sunny day and he tells me to go f&&& myself.
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No matter what industry you are in there are these type of issues. The only problem I really have is that they say(safeguard, mcs, 5bros) if you do jobs a,b,c you must do d, and e.

D and E are not profitable I say..they say do them or you lose jobs a,b,c as well as any f, g,h jobs that come around.

Even that is understandable..if we dont want to do them ALL, they will find someone that will..its easier for them to give all jobs to one company, then split them up..

However the part that gets me in a tizzy is when they say, if you do not do jobs d and e, we will send another contractor to do the job, and then charge you back.

Thats a load of crap..if I want to turn them down and risk losing all my business then that should be my choice. I always reply with, why are you backcharging, the price you pay them would be the exact same as you will pay me..they say no cuz they have to pay the other contractor an extra "fee". BS I say..I want that extra "fee". In the end we take it up the tailpipe and do it.


But it should be(and maybe it is) illegal to chargeback an independent contractor for not accepting the job...doing the work wrong, fine charge us back..do not accept all the work, the most they should be able to do is take work away.
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No matter what industry you are in there are these type of issues. The only problem I really have is that they say(safeguard, mcs, 5bros) if you do jobs a,b,c you must do d, and e.

D and E are not profitable I say..they say do them or you lose jobs a,b,c as well as any f, g,h jobs that come around.

Even that is understandable..if we dont want to do them ALL, they will find someone that will..its easier for them to give all jobs to one company, then split them up..

However the part that gets me in a tizzy is when they say, if you do not do jobs d and e, we will send another contractor to do the job, and then charge you back.

Thats a load of crap..if I want to turn them down and risk losing all my business then that should be my choice. I always reply with, why are you backcharging, the price you pay them would be the exact same as you will pay me..they say no cuz they have to pay the other contractor an extra "fee". BS I say..I want that extra "fee". In the end we take it up the tailpipe and do it.


But it should be(and maybe it is) illegal to chargeback an independent contractor for not accepting the job...doing the work wrong, fine charge us back..do not accept all the work, the most they should be able to do is take work away.


it is
I'm not sure what other industry you have worked in...but there is no other industry that will demand X-amount of work and tell you there is an "allowable" every other industry there is negotiated numbers...not this one...unless of course you chose to do what our company has done and say no...then when they come calling back you get to dictate numbers...all this "well if I don't do it" CRAP attitude is how the powers to be in the industry have systematically stripped away the spirit of the independent contractor and have slowly made everyone employees...unless of course you're in the 8% that have said no....

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Capitalism isn't about "raping" the banks. Not even close.

I don't advise working for any of the Nationals, I point out opportunities are better and more durable in the private sector. Claiming that as a business owner you are working "with" the nationals is naive.

Pushing papers and sending in pics while the employee does all the work?
Your business model seems a little different than mine.
No offense taken.

while i still worked in the field when i could and if i had to, i got to the point where the office load was nearly full time. I prefer field work but its hard to find someone to do the office work and deal with supplier state reps and so forth. I'm not quite a micromanger but i prefer to do the office work myself with some part time help, that way i'm responsible if anything goes wrong invoices are incorrect or clients have questions about properties/bids. if i could just pull a 9-5?? in the field i would have.

If you are working FOR anyone then i'd rather not have your business model. Sounds like more of a job than a business.
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