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http://reno.craigslist.org/lab/4027491432.html

NRS specifically states...plumbers...wow I do wonder how this will play out as the fine is 10k if you're caught....

I do know we are not risking things for the numbers they push at us...

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I call BS on this!
Pouring antifreeze in a toilet and blowing lines with air needs to be done by a plumber?
Do you need a permit and have to use a registered plumber to use a plunger to unclog a toilet? It is after all something a plumber does.
How about changing a hose on your washing machine?
What about changing the filter on your heater, according to the craigslist post that is something a heating/ac contractor must do?
Performing a winterization is not a repair or improvement, so no need for a permit, and no need to be performed by a licensed plumber!
Stop scaring people.
I encourage everyone to call their local codes department and tell them you are going on vacation over the winter and want to drain the pipes and put antifreeze in your toilets and traps and ask if you need a permit or a licensed plumber and please post your results.
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And since when does a craigslist ad all of a sudden become the law of the land??????

There are 100's of post on this site about idiots posting wanted ads for property preservation and everyone gets a good laugh at the crackheads posting these ads, but some genius post an ad warning people not to do winterizations and it gets posted here like a national advisory!
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You might be surprised to find out that many of the things you listed DO require a license if you are completing them for compensation. If you are completing it on your own home not for compensation then you may not have an issue. For example, in Florida even connecting a dishwasher to the water line requires a license IF you are doing it for compensation.

I would also encourage everyone to call their local or state authorities and ask questions but instead of a false scenario about vacation/your own property get the FACTS about performing a winterization for compensation.


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I call BS on this!
Pouring antifreeze in a toilet and blowing lines with air needs to be done by a plumber?
Do you need a permit and have to use a registered plumber to use a plunger to unclog a toilet? It is after all something a plumber does.
How about changing a hose on your washing machine?
What about changing the filter on your heater, according to the craigslist post that is something a heating/ac contractor must do?
Performing a winterization is not a repair or improvement, so no need for a permit, and no need to be performed by a licensed plumber!
Stop scaring people.
I encourage everyone to call their local codes department and tell them you are going on vacation over the winter and want to drain the pipes and put antifreeze in your toilets and traps and ask if you need a permit or a licensed plumber and please post your results.
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Noone just decides to one day connect a dishwasher to a water line, that is called an installation (either a replacement or new install) and I agree, that requires a licensed plumber in almost any state, so does installing a new hot water heater, new faucet, toilet, etc.... What I am saying is POURING ANTIFREEZE AND BLOWING AIR IN A LINE to clear water does not require a licensed plumber. Now, you may be required to be registered in the state that you work in, but that is not what is being discussed here. If you are in this business I would hope you would already be registered as a general contractor. In PA I am registered as a home improvement contractor and anyone doing any work in the state must be registered to do work, but that covers me to do a winterization, if I was to hook up a dishwasher, then I would be in trouble because I am not a plumber, big difference.
And that is exactly what the NV code is implying, it is saying if its under $1,000 then its exempt except if its something that needs to be completed by a plumber, like a dishwasher install for example. Just because it has the word PLUMBER does not mean anything a plumber does, pouring antifreeze, using a plunger, etc.... is not the same as installing something
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Not an improvement.

This CL post has the Union Fingers all over it.
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You are required to perform a "pressure Test"...and the service requires(for FNMA) $300 worth of repairs...
The information posted in the post is from Nevada revised Statutes and is state law...
Would you like to argue with our state AG Big Daddy????

I'm not going to do so...plumbers can do the wints...they are asking for inspections....read the service specs....

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You might be surprised to find out that many of the things you listed DO require a license if you are completing them for compensation. If you are completing it on your own home not for compensation then you may not have an issue. For example, in Florida even connecting a dishwasher to the water line requires a license IF you are doing it for compensation.

I would also encourage everyone to call their local or state authorities and ask questions but instead of a false scenario about vacation/your own property get the FACTS about performing a winterization for compensation.
BINGO...I'm on the phone with the owner of our company right now...
this was her comment to your statement Big Daddy...
Apples and Oranges...when you do something for compensation there is a different element involved called the LAW...so perhaps you should stop blowing smoke up skirts....The post actually had Nevada Revised Statutes in it..Furthermore I would not attempt to "Scare" anyone I only produce facts as they are presented to me....

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BINGO...I'm on the phone with the owner of our company right now...
this was her comment to your statement Big Daddy...
Apples and Oranges...when you do something for compensation there is a different element involved called the LAW...so perhaps you should stop blowing smoke up skirts....The post actually had Nevada Revised Statutes in it..Furthermore I would not attempt to "Scare" anyone I only produce facts as they are presented to me....
Wow. Ok, I apologize for saying to call and tell them you are doing it for your own house, I was not trying to find some top secret spy loop hole or blow smoke up anyones skirts. Tell them EXACTLY what you plan on doing which is POUR ANTIFREEZE DOWN SOME DRAINS, EMPTY THE HOT WATER HEATER AND BLOW SOME AIR THRU THE LINES TO CLEAR THE LINES OF ANY WATER!!!!
If you are a contractor doing ANY P&P work, you should already be registered as a contractor and that is ALL you need to have to do a friggin winterization!
The bottom line is you don't have to have a plumber do it!
I can see that the post had the Nevada revised statutes posted, what I am trying to tell you is that you are NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY MEAN!
Doing a winterization requires no replacement of a plumbing fixture, requires no cutting into any pipes, and no alterations to the existing plumbing system = NO PERMITS, NO PLUMBER REQUIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND???????
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the only thing that I see that could remotely be an issue here is if some rocket scientist newbie opens up the lines and BACKFLOWS water that had been sitting in the forclosed property into the water system. The ONLY issue. I was told by many MANY municipalities that if I TOUCH the water meter it is a 1K fine. and if i break it, it is MORE. So how do you work around this . "HI this is fred with freds reo I am at 123 main st and I need the water shut off because we have a flooding property" DONE no " well sir are you a signer or and of that crap. Come on People they have their rules we have ours and be diplomatic. "Let them have your way " is my definition of diplomacy
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