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To All the Nay Sayers....

What can you say now...

This case deals with the IC/Employee issue...

I will have an article posted in the AM on how this affects the industry and how this case set precedence for case law...

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/...1379/238608/51

This is the first Domino.....

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In reviewing the courts opinion on the matters of IC/Employee and the licensing issue.

I'm totally flabbergasted that NAMFS has not had all it's members get their ducks in a row...the first motion for summary judgement was over a year ago...Certainly MCS, LPS, MSI have the resources to obtain proper licensing...as does AFAS....
While most states charge around $300 for a business license...15k a year for all 50 states...I can see why some would want to skirt the issue.

This IMHO will not bode well for NAMFS or their members as only a handful of the 1st tier subbers are licensed in all states and I'm betting when we start looking at the 2nd, 3rd, and others 90% will be in jeopardy...

Funny part I find no solace in what is about to happen as many innocent and good people will be damaged...

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Hey Aaron, quick couple questions. A.) How does this affect the botg unless it voids the contracts we signed as independent contractors? B.) Is Aladay LLC guilty of this as well due to "Laci" and your consulting with out of state "customers"? Should you be registered in all the states you two consult in? C.) This is a small civil matter and I am sure it happens quite often. Have you researched this subject at all? I would imagine it (non-licensed) practice of trade in multiple states happens often across many industries. D.) I notice a common theme throughout your rants about NAMFS not doing their job. If they (NAMFS), make so many rules and regulations, will the National, regionals and your other acronyms be labeled as employees of NAMFS's using your oft chanted rally cry of everyone being an employee and not an independent contractor due to the control factor?
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two bricks shy of a full load
not the sharpest tack
Not the brightest bulb in the pack

sometimes none of these seem to be adequate for a situation...
Mostly like when questions get asked and statements made that have absolutely nothing to do with thread subject matter.

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Isn't the subject matter at hand actually companies operating across state lines and operating in states without proper licensing? I asked you a few questions on the subject you wrote about. You did not like the questions so now you come back with insults...oh Mr. Avielo Not very nice..please try to be professional.
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He had some actually questions and you reply with some smart comments. My opinion nobody takes you or foreclosurepedis seriously because you guys can't have an actual conversation or debate about this topic. If somebody doesn't agree with you or Paul you guys resort to name calling or personal attacks. If you want this industry to change or be a consultant or a voice for it you need to really learn to respect people when they have different opinions and voices. Kill them with kindness
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He had some actually questions and you reply with some smart comments. My opinion nobody takes you or foreclosurepedis seriously because you guys can't have an actual conversation or debate about this topic. If somebody doesn't agree with you or Paul you guys resort to name calling or personal attacks. If you want this industry to change or be a consultant or a voice for it you need to really learn to respect people when they have different opinions and voices. Kill them with kindness
Those are bull**** questions and have absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter of the case....
Firthermore the asshole has accused everyone of breaking the law...

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You seem to be getting very defensive over simple questions... Hmmm
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Very simple questions.

In Michigan you don't need to be licensed to be an business consulant.
You need to be licensed to sub out any construction work and every regional and national is breaking the law. Will they get caught, maybe if so they just get a fine of $5000.

This subject comes up every year in my contractor renewal classes. Home depot gets caught for this every year, and they find it cheaper to just pay the fines then to get people licensed.

In Michigan your have to pass an irs background check plus a criminal background check to get a license. Most nationals won't go thru that.

Im also positive they don't have a license that covers every state, every state follows different codes.
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Those are bull**** questions and have absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter of the case....
Firthermore the asshole has accused everyone of breaking the law...
Relax Aaron. It's not like you're being interrogated by the authorities. It's just PP. Nobody's going to jail. And Thanks for the name calling. I could probably come up with some sort of name for you if I chose.
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