Originally Posted by preservationpit
I'm having an issue lately that we are bidding on items and we are getting them back with detailed instructions on the amount we are allowed to bid (they are dictating our bid amounts) their justification for this is "CE does not support bid amount, bid should be stated as follows..... and their price is listed"
without going into pages of this -- my most recent dictated price- I bid to hang a basic storm door for $205.00 - new --- this covers materials, labor and 10% overhead -- they came back with-
"Please adjust your bid as follows as justified on CE report or we will adjust it for you"
Hang New Anderson Storm 2000 series storm door with hardware 1 man 1 hour $65.00"
my issues with this
(1) I didn't specify Anderson in my bid , but EMCO 100 series which costs $100 - the door they are changing it to costs $249
(2) The CE for this (better quality) came to $590 , The CE for the economy door I bid on came to $352.25 - My bid was for 1/2 that
(3) This is just an example, but I am actually refusing to adjust these bids and they are proceeding on adjusting the bids, getting them approved and expecting me to perform the work
(4) I specifically told them on the last one I was not going to continue to place detailed bids, calculating the material, labor overhead if the bids if they are going to dictate my already drastically reduced prices
(5) I have already started to include language in my bids that this price includes labor, material and is justified on the CE and we will not complete the work for less than the specified amount , they are still adjusting the bids and leaving that wording in (luckily I keep a copy of my original PCR submitted for each order so I can fight it)
(6) I also have orders coming over stating to complete the work for x amount of dollars and than being told that the amt posted was incorrect and them adjusting my invoices to 70-80% under what was stated in the work order, essentially having us agree to perform a job and than adjusting the approved amount so low that we couldn't cover the expenses I currently have a dozen
orders in dispute that this has happened with - they have been in dispute for over 2 months- every single one of them and have started getting confirmation emails on these listed approved prices as a back up (its shown in the order and I have a confirmation that this is the price) this seems to have stalled them from adjusting the prices after the work is completed, but it is no guarantee
Is anyone else encountering this issue where your bids are being dictated to you and how are you handling it
Yes, many if not all of us have had to deal with this. A few years back, we were able to place a bid, and as long as it was not ridiculous and was spelled out what we were doing, it would be approved and we would be paid.
Then came " standardized price sheets" where we could still bid but could only bid what they said we could bid, So in reality you were given the illusion you were still a contractor cause you could bid on jobs, just only bid there "approved" bid.
My suggestion for you is ( if you even care lol)
1. Get used to this as it wont change
2. Learn to make a profit off there " pricing" if you cannot, find another company or maybe play with the idea of not doing this work, especially for this company.
3. Keep all emails, you may one day end up wanting to sue their asses. It is illegal to approve your bid and adjust after work is complete, they are breaking the contract ( the bid you gave). They know this is not ethical nor legal but they figure, you have more to loose than gain at this point and they are probably right. But these things add up, keep god records.
4. Learn to cut corners, im sure you have heard in the business world it is " dog eat dog" well it is. Im not saying be a shotty contractor but if you are getting paid $50.00 for a $200.00 job, give them a $50.00 job and take GREAT pics!!!
And if you can and dont mind, please post the company that is doing this to you.