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Anyone know or have actual VA guidelines??

I am struggling with VRM, and i have to keep the account at this point, I can't just quit like so many of you have been able to. There have been many times that I feel VRM has not interpreted VA policies correctly. I think this whole flat fee first 40 cubic yards included in the initial services isn't totally being done right.

For an example, let's look at yard cuts. The first one third of an acre is considered to be in scope. Anything over has to be bid. So let's look at property with a house and three outbuildings. The house sits on about one third of an acre, so that is all in scope. The rest of the outbuildings are on the additional land. Now, those buildings are full of crap. VRM's position is that the entire piece of land is in scope as far as trash out. That is not logical. What i it were 40 acres of crap?

They pay $35 per cubic yard for trash out beyond the initial 40 yards. Doing that same math would suggest the initial 40 yards would be worth $1400. Yet the entire service period pays less than that.

It would make sense to me that the in scope debris removal would ONLY include the primary structure on the property. I would like to read the actual VA guidelines so I could present an intelligent dispute to VRM. So, can anyone help me?
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I am struggling with VRM, and i have to keep the account at this point, I can't just quit like so many of you have been able to. There have been many times that I feel VRM has not interpreted VA policies correctly. I think this whole flat fee first 40 cubic yards included in the initial services isn't totally being done right.

For an example, let's look at yard cuts. The first one third of an acre is considered to be in scope. Anything over has to be bid. So let's look at property with a house and three outbuildings. The house sits on about one third of an acre, so that is all in scope. The rest of the outbuildings are on the additional land. Now, those buildings are full of crap. VRM's position is that the entire piece of land is in scope as far as trash out. That is not logical. What i it were 40 acres of crap?

They pay $35 per cubic yard for trash out beyond the initial 40 yards. Doing that same math would suggest the initial 40 yards would be worth $1400. Yet the entire service period pays less than that.

It would make sense to me that the in scope debris removal would ONLY include the primary structure on the property. I would like to read the actual VA guidelines so I could present an intelligent dispute to VRM. So, can anyone help me?
You are struggling to keep an account that is screwing you over everyday and you are no doubt loosing money with (meantime they are laughing all the way to the bank off of your sweat equity)? And you can't afford to quit???!!! Don't mean to be a smart arse here but that logic is what is keeping these regional and nationals going. For God sakes man go find 10 lawns to cut in your neighborhood and you will make money not loose it. Your're not stupid use your assets to leave these idiots not try to play there game its a waste of time, money, and energy!! Move on.
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It would make sense to me that the in scope debris removal would ONLY include the primary structure on the property. I would like to read the actual VA guidelines so I could present an intelligent dispute to VRM. So, can anyone help me?
You may in fact be correct, but using logic and intelligent arguments with someone interested in making as much money as possible is in many cases a losing cause.

What do they say? Have you presented that scenario to them and they have shot it downalready?
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It would make sense to me that the in scope debris removal would ONLY include the primary structure on the property. I would like to read the actual VA guidelines so I could present an intelligent dispute to VRM. So, can anyone help me?[/QUOTE]


Your contract with them and their contract with them are 2 COMPLETELY different things.
If they are paying you $10 they are getting $20
You need to go over your contract with them and figure it out...

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By reading the VA guidelines I can ascertain VRM is receiving $50 per cubic yard of debris I haul out. When you do their final checklist of initial services they want you to show if you did outlet covers, debris removal, etc. And they want you to show each truckload........get this...........with a whiteboad in front of it. You are supposed to write the date, time, load number, and cubic yard amount on the board. I can't remember what day it is, much less what load number I am taking out, nor am I thrilled about taking that kind of time. Because it is just part of the initial bundle and I don't get paid for it, I just select "no" on debris removal. I get paid the same if there is or is not debris and so ....why would I take all that time.?
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I have done that, but there have been things they have misinterpreted before and I have brought it up and we came to an alternate agreement. If they believe they won't get paid extra for something, they wont be agreeable. However, if I can show them that they would get paid extra for it, then they would likely jump on the opportunity to create more profit. Your capital letters are not needed as I understand contract law very well. I also understand that everything in life and business is negotiable, especially if both sides win. And that is what I am trying to do here.

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It would make sense to me that the in scope debris removal would ONLY include the primary structure on the property. I would like to read the actual VA guidelines so I could present an intelligent dispute to VRM. So, can anyone help me?

Your contract with them and their contract with them are 2 COMPLETELY different things.
If they are paying you $10 they are getting $20
You need to go over your contract with them and figure it out...

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They want the whiteboard showing your debris count so they can receive their $2000 for the first 40 yds while they pay you $600-$800 for the entire initial service. Tell them what you got to have to make you happy or hit the road. You work too hard to walk around miserable because someone is screwing you.
You think anyone else is bending over backwards for them like you are? I think they will cough up a few more bucks. You might be surprised.
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