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Has any contractors ever heard of price-fixing in this industry?
Below are Wikipedia defintitions...lol ...sounds pretty durn familiar to this reader.


[B]Price fixing[/B] is an agreement between participants on the same side in a market to buy or sell a product, service, or commodity only at a fixed price, or maintain the market conditions such that the price is maintained at a given level by controlling supply and demand. The group of market makers involved in price fixing is sometimes referred to as a cartel.


Competition law, known in the United States as antitrust law, is law that promotes or maintains market competition by regulating anti-competitive conduct by companies.[1]
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Hey... whether is makes a hill of beans or not... surely these outfits have to answer to somebody... their playin with my lively hood with their No-it all attitudes...an most of 'em were in diapers when I started in this business...
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Has any contractors ever heard of price-fixing in this industry?
Below are Wikipedia defintitions...lol ...sounds pretty durn familiar to this reader.


[B]Price fixing[/B] is an agreement between participants on the same side in a market to buy or sell a product, service, or commodity only at a fixed price, or maintain the market conditions such that the price is maintained at a given level by controlling supply and demand. The group of market makers involved in price fixing is sometimes referred to as a cartel.


Competition law, known in the United States as antitrust law, is law that promotes or maintains market competition by regulating anti-competitive conduct by companies.[1]
Not sure if your trolling or not but I'll bite.

Please post the priice lists for 2 clients that have identical pricing. HUD offers a recommendation on what to pay, and the nationals take that and tweak it. No two clients of mine have same pricing. Some are close like $120 vs $110 vs $100 dry wints.

Anyhow, so what? Are you just standing inside a theater yelling "fire" for attention.

Why is it important to point out someone was in diapers when you were in this business? Maybe your real smart and savvy, maybe your still capable of learning from someone younger than you. I know I dont know it all.
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Not sure if your trolling or not but I'll bite.

Please post the priice lists for 2 clients that have identical pricing. HUD offers a recommendation on what to pay, and the nationals take that and tweak it. No two clients of mine have same pricing. Some are close like $120 vs $110 vs $100 dry wints.

Anyhow, so what? Are you just standing inside a theater yelling "fire" for attention.

Why is it important to point out someone was in diapers when you were in this business? Maybe your real smart and savvy, maybe your still capable of learning from someone younger than you. I know I dont know it all.
Just an inquiry dude... and I'm looking for a responsible answer, or an honest discussion, not a flippant off the cuff remark not addressing this issue.

Pricing can't be posted on the site.

I'm not specifically aiming at Nationals... I've been estimating Federal, State and local work for over 25 years, and I know of no Federal Agency that sets a price lists for Contractors... if there is an exemption in the CFR I am not aware of it... that's what I'm trying to find out.
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I think the answer youre looking for is what is the difference between an employee, sub or piece work.
because none of these apply to Fed,state and local labor laws based on their pay structure.
And what really gets me is they all know it!
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I think the answer youre looking for is what is the difference between an employee, sub or piece work.
because none of these apply to Fed,state and local labor laws based on their pay structure.
And what really gets me is they all know it!
I know what you mean... but I've seen answers to the employee/sub thing, and that came from an audit by the CT Dept of Labor...luckily there were Contracts, and acknowledgments. But like I said I find it puzzling how this industry is unlike any of the others. I've won bids to demolish/implode 16 story apartment buildings that were funded by Federal HUD funds. They were rate jobs, but HUD didn't tell us what we could bid to do the work. I need to find out what mechanism separates that part of HUD from our industry.
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I know what you mean... but I've seen answers to the employee/sub thing, and that came from an audit by the CT Dept of Labor...luckily there were Contracts, and acknowledgments. But like I said I find it puzzling how this industry is unlike any of the others. I've won bids to demolish/implode 16 story apartment buildings that were funded by Federal HUD funds. They were rate jobs, but HUD didn't tell us what we could bid to do the work. I need to find out what mechanism separates that part of HUD from our industry.
What separates this part of HUD from the large jobs you were doing previously is this:

1) fund allocation per loan
2) the current nationwide inventory of FHA loans conveying to HUD.
3) HUD just doesn't have the money.
4) greed
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