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Cost Estimator?

Most nationals now require a cost estimator to support your bid. I do primarily P&P work, so we are sent on bids that seem to never be approved. Pretty much every order requires a bid and on average we complete 15k orders a year. RepairBase was approved as the hud cost estimator and if a bid went in on every order it would cost me $15k to give estimates only. I just can't seem to justify that cost. I would rather provide my bids my way and hope that 20% comes back in return. There has got to be a more affordable way of estimating work. Some jobs only require lets say 200lf of trimming bushes. The client will not approve my bid without a CE included. Just to bid that $10 per bid seems excessive. Any ideas?
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My bids get cut when using the cost estimator but if I don't they get cut per cost estimator. It's whatever suites them so it seems pointless at this point to use it.
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The CE is part of the industry these days.

I truly believe it is price fixing and should be illegal.
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Excluding all the details, Acme Roofing quotes a 10/12 pitched shingle roof @ 12k. They have the license, insurance, boom trucks, scaffolding and required equipment to do the job.

Pablo's Landscaping & Roofing quotes the same job @ 7k. He has ladders, a compressor, nail guns, tarps to lay in the yard and catch the debris and can work weekends and holidays when the city inspector is off the clock.

The CE quotes the job @ $10,350.
The first guy can't afford it.
The second guy doesn't deserve it.
Yes, it is price fixing and stunts talent, expertise and the free market.
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Excluding all the details, Acme Roofing quotes a 10/12 pitched shingle roof @ 12k. They have the license, insurance, boom trucks, scaffolding and required equipment to do the job.

Pablo's Landscaping & Roofing quotes the same job @ 7k. He has ladders, a compressor, nail guns, tarps to lay in the yard and catch the debris and can work weekends and holidays when the city inspector is off the clock.

The CE quotes the job @ $10,350.
The first guy can't afford it.
The second guy doesn't deserve it.
Yes, it is price fixing and stunts talent, expertise and the free market.

I just did a roof, I don't remember the pitch, but I have found a professional roofer that will do the roof if materials are supplied as well as a dumpster for $60/sq. I did a roof that paid me $7k for $4k. Not bad for not lifting a finger other than to file the permit and make a phone call.
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I just did a roof, I don't remember the pitch, but I have found a professional roofer that will do the roof if materials are supplied as well as a dumpster for $60/sq. I did a roof that paid me $7k for $4k. Not bad for not lifting a finger other than to file the permit and make a phone call.
I'm not sure where you are located but I'd question $60/SQ and 'professional roofer' in the same sentence. That's not happening around here unless its cut throat new construction with actual volume. The fictitious P&P "make it on volume" doesn't count.



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I'm not sure where you are located but I'd question $60/SQ and 'professional roofer' in the same sentence. That's not happening around here unless its cut throat new construction with actual volume. The fictitious P&P "make it on volume" doesn't count.
They did a great job, I watched the whole thing. Passed Inspection. Took 5 guys 4 hours to do it. They were animals. They did 3 roofs that day. They are a "wholesale" roofer. I got prices from roofing companies of $75/sq. So they weren't far off, just more efficient. They don't work with the public so it's much easier on them. They don't have any overhead because they don't buy materials, and payment is due before they leave the property.
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$60/sq? Come on now... Who pays the work comp, general liability, permits, dump fees and is responsible for leaks?

Someone (not sure who) got snookered
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$60/sq? Come on now... Who pays the work comp, general liability, permits, dump fees and is responsible for leaks?

Someone (not sure who) got snookered

They are insured for themselves, my insurance acts as an umbrella policy, or if something happens down the road. I am responsible for permit and dump fees
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