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I knew there was a great chance I would regret taking the flight to Dallas for the FAS conference they put on this week but I let my curiosity get the best of me. In a nut shell 800 or so vendors flew out here (and spent $500-$1,000 of there own change) so Dale could announce that he was dropping everyones pricing....Personally I have other MUCH better paying clients who I can work less for more with, with FAS it is a lot more work for a lot less but we get more volume from them than anyone in our area. The real catch is how they tapped dance out of speaking about numbers in order to avoid a riot on site so after everyone flys home we will recieve emails talking numbers about the new program that starts december 1st. Just wondering what some other people that STILL work with FAS are thinking....
 
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I agree completely..and I may be totally stupid for asking this....but...just one thing...What the hell is FAS?? Fetal Alcohol Syndrome..Florida Anthropological Society ....Fire Administrative Support..Federation of American Scientists? and who is this evil Dale character?
 
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Ohhhhh! That explains it all! I still have no idea what that is, but I hate that Dale guy, just the same.
 

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I agree completely..and I may be totally stupid for asking this....but...just one thing...What the hell is FAS?? Fetal Alcohol Syndrome..Florida Anthropological Society ....Fire Administrative Support..Federation of American Scientists? and who is this evil Dale character?
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I have been on conference calls that the National disconnected from due to the anger voiced after announcing price cuts. It seems to be widspread policy now to tell you they are still working internally on set costs and will send out mass notifications shortly. Yes, it does translate into they know results of these cuts will po folks and they would rather hide beneath the layers or bureaucracy of their companies.
 

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I am in a wait state to see the pricing structure. I constantly get calls to go out of my territory because of the other less tan desirable contractors. The only thing is they dont want to pay milage. Again I bring up the concept that they POUND into us for the 3 day turn time. When A property goes into vendor search and sits there for a month whats up with that ?? Also Dale has CHANGED. He has become the standard LARGE business owner distant and detached the pompous and errogant A winner of the "humanatarian of The Year" He used to be grounded and in touch now he is as said before hiding behind the cloud. He also is a partner in an auto dealership that modifys autos. I hope that is not as much of a train wreck as FAS is becomming. BAck to t he 3 day turn time what is going to happen when they implament this new flat plus structure and as I am hearing many vendors bail??
 

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A by product of price cuts is the loss of long term contractors. You would think the Nationals would not want to see that? Suprise...they don't care. The new contractors don't know how much job X used to pay and they go merrily along doing $20 mow and gos and $35 winterizations.
 
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The system is already been set up with Texas vendors and im my eyes it is set up for failure with too many loop holes that you cant possibly prevent. They said we understand if you can't make money and need to deny jobs within 24 hrs or don't handle the scope of work for a certain job but will be watching like a hawk for cherry picking jobs that are in the red zone, 20 -30 cubes. Call it what they will, weather it be cherry picking or just plain smart business decisions, we will accept jobs and not expect to get rich, absolutely....We will NOT accept jobs and pay $200 to complete them so that FAS can stay on track to becoming a billion dollar company next year....DECLINED..... In my area 50-60% of properties have 20-30 cubes and if we get the same Texas pricing structure that has been laid out it will be in the ball park of a $200 hit per house, the flat free will not bring you ahead untill about 130 cyds+ and we did maybe 5-6 properties last year with 100-300 cyds so this does not seem beneficial to us. If any of you happen to find out your states pricing structure please share and I will do the same.
 
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Texas is set up with a $475 base fee for Janitorial (up to 4,000 sq ft), Debris (from 0-30 cyds) and initial lawn 1/4 acre 6inches. After 30 cyds its $18 per cube with "no discount" its now just built in by giving discounted rates at the front side. Basically cash for keys is the only win in this deal
 

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Texas is set up with a $475 base fee for Janitorial (up to 4,000 sq ft), Debris (from 0-30 cyds) and initial lawn 1/4 acre 6inches. After 30 cyds its $18 per cube with "no discount" its now just built in by giving discounted rates at the front side. Basically cash for keys is the only win in this deal
For FAS? I'm guess I'm glad I got out at the right time. That's regional like pay inTX.
 

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Texas is set up with a $475 base fee for Janitorial (up to 4,000 sq ft), Debris (from 0-30 cyds) and initial lawn 1/4 acre 6inches. After 30 cyds its $18 per cube with "no discount" its now just built in by giving discounted rates at the front side. Basically cash for keys is the only win in this deal

Certain counties around here charge $20 a cube to dispose of trash. The only ones making money with that pricing is FAS......
 

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Certain counties around here charge $20 a cube to dispose of trash. The only ones making money with that pricing is FAS......





Thats their only goal in life.

Contractors are a necessary evil only in the way to their perfect utopia to making a killing.


The cheapest/easiest disposal for me is $50 a ton, or $340 for a 30 yarder.

If im in the right side of the county I can do $30 a ton, but its not worth the distance to drive there or their limited hours of service unless I'm already over that way doing a trash out.
 

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A by product of price cuts is the loss of long term contractors. You would think the Nationals would not want to see that? Suprise...they don't care. The new contractors don't know how much job X used to pay and they go merrily along doing $20 mow and gos and $35 winterizations.
I couldn't have said it better myself.

Plus, there will be several long-term vendors and contractors waiting it out while tons of other vendors quit working with them. This will leave holes for them to fill and the ones who stick around are hoping they have the leverage to up the ante when all the others have bailed.

Sometimes waiting it out pays off, sometimes not. It's pretty much a crapshoot out there.

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A by product of price cuts is the loss of long term contractors. You would think the Nationals would not want to see that? Suprise...they don't care. The new contractors don't know how much job X used to pay and they go merrily along doing $20 mow and gos and $35 winterizations.
$35 wints??? You can't be serious such a thing exists!!!! I wouldn't even set up my air compressor for $35.
 

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TENEC what was your cube pricing before the wonderful base plus system ?? Thanks to all for chiming in on this it seems like they want to have vendors quit they are NOT thinking of the REVOLT that is going to happen and with the turn over of vendors what does this do to their insurance ?? you get what you pay for in ALL industries. What a cluster
 

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TENEC what was your cube pricing before the wonderful base plus system ?? Thanks to all for chiming in on this it seems like they want to have vendors quit they are NOT thinking of the REVOLT that is going to happen and with teh turn over of vendors what does this do to their insurance ?? you get what you pay for in ALL industries. What a cluster
For 6 years they were our favorite client.
 

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I over herd that the safeguard owner (Robert Klein) had body guards at their conference a few months back... Makes you wonder And Dale MC Pherson FAS's owner has the audacity to show off his bright shiny hopped up cars at the conference. He has for gotten who got him there. Occupy wall street should go visit FAS ??!! JUst say'n :censored:
 

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I over herd that the safeguard owner (Robert Klein) had body guards at their conference a few months back... Makes you wonder And Dale MC Pherson FAS's owner has the audacity to show off his bright shiny hopped up cars at the conference. He has for gotten who got him there. Occupy wall street should go visit FAS ??!! JUst say'n :censored:
So what if Dale showed off his shiny cars? He owns a business that makes a lot of money. He can buy as many cars as he wants for all I care. I'd buy a bunch of things if I had the money. I think they're cutting prices because the other nationals have been undercutting each other as well.

Hopefully Dale paid for those vehicles in cash, because I would like to see how profitable they will be when many contractors leave. There will still be contractors who will continue to under cut everyone else and go belly up.
 
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