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So I am about to begin to interior and exterior inspections for Cyprexx. No one else in my area and my recruiter lady seemed pretty happy for me. She told me I could bid their max and get them. $10 exterior and $15 for int and ext.

I know the preservation business with trash outs, repairs, wints, etc but is there anything I should know about switching to the inspection side? She said if I asked for 20 a day I would get that amount for the two counties I cover which is very comfortable to me.

What about working with Cyprexx? I guess they just expanded. Does anyone have any experience with them? I see them mentioned but haven't seen much hate. I had an application in with them for 4 years before they contacted me. I bought a smaller truck for this job and everything for the better gas.

One question I am not sure about, for the inspections are there different types? Do I take pictures of any liabilities/damage on every inspection or only when asked to?
 

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Was going to blast Cyprexx today anyway....

This was a failed policy for FAS 4 years ago.So I'm wondering why Cyprexx would go this way, furthermore...why would FNMA allow this again when they know this process does not work?????

Cyprexx Procedure Directive R110

March 6, 2013
To: All Cyprexx preservation vendors
From: Ronnie Ory

First, I want to thank all of our vendor associates for the work you do for us. Being in your own business can be a challenge, and today it is as great a challenge as it has ever been. Again, thank you for your services. We hope Cyprexx is a good business partner.
While attempting to be a good business partner, we have a history of removing vendors only as a last resort after many warnings and repeated training to no avail.
We find that our quality of work in the field is slipping at the same time that our clients are demanding higher quality than ever. We need to reverse that and deliver the quality of service that is our hallmark.
Quality in our initial cleanups and maintenance is our number one concern. Entirely too many properties are being left in a less-than-complete condition and causing repeat trips by vendors and additional effort and attention from our staff. In some cases, the responsible vendor is slow to return and even then does not completely cure the issues. Sometimes, the issues continue until the maintenance vendor reports them. Starting property maintenance is delayed.
Internally, we are making changes and staff moves to be more responsive and accountable.
Effective immediately, if a property fails an inspection for any reason and the vendor has not responded within 48 hours, the coordinator will send another contractor out to remedy the problems and the cost will be charged back to the initial vendor. If any unsatisfactory condition exists when the maintenance vendor visits to begin services, the maintenance vendor is to cure the problem immediately, report and document with photos and begin services. This is pre-authorized up to $150. We will monitor this carefully to identify any abuse and the initial vendor will be charged back. If the cost of curing the problem is over $150, the maintenance vendor must notify the Cyprexx coordinator and will be given instructions.
The time and expense involved, for both vendors and Cyprexx, can be eliminated by doing a complete, on time, job during the first visit.
I personally apologize for having to deliver this rather stern message to the many vendors who do their job so well. It simply is necessary that we correct this drift towards a lower quality.
Ronnie J. Ory
Chairman of the Board
Cyprexx Services, LLC


Always baffles me when organizations do that same thing expecting different results...isn't there some sort of insanity thingsy that goes along with that?????
 

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is there anything I should know about switching to the inspection side? She said if I asked for 20 a day I would get that amount for the two counties I cover which is very comfortable to me.
You should know that you will be working for less than minimum wage. Unless the counties you cover are less than 20 miles square, by the time you pay fuel, maintenance, replace cost for you vehicle, you aren't making much. I only take an inspection if I am in that town. I'll be damn to drive anywhere for $15. Do a breakeven analysis and find out what you are really making. It will surprise you.
 

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So I am about to begin to interior and exterior inspections for Cyprexx. No one else in my area and my recruiter lady seemed pretty happy for me. She told me I could bid their max and get them. $10 exterior and $15 for int and ext.

I know the preservation business with trash outs, repairs, wints, etc but is there anything I should know about switching to the inspection side? She said if I asked for 20 a day I would get that amount for the two counties I cover which is very comfortable to me.

What about working with Cyprexx? I guess they just expanded. Does anyone have any experience with them? I see them mentioned but haven't seen much hate. I had an application in with them for 4 years before they contacted me. I bought a smaller truck for this job and everything for the better gas.

One question I am not sure about, for the inspections are there different types? Do I take pictures of any liabilities/damage on every inspection or only when asked to?
If there is really no one else in your area then tell them you want more for each inspection. It may be that there are others but they just are not willing to do them for $15 a pop. That's pretty cheap. On a lighter note, I have always enjoyed working for Cyprexx. Never did a job for them that didn't come out in my favor.
 

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Zoly,

As long as you are a licensed Home Inspector in your State everything should be OK. I would have to assume you are not licensed since you would not degrade yourself out at those prices....


Cleanupman,

I always find it such a "conflict of interest" to have 1 contractor "grading" another contractor when there is a means of earning an income. All this breeds is a contractor going to a property, under the guise of an inspection, for a measly little trip charge and "finding" something to generate monies. Heck I know a fella that used to have trash bags filled with balloons that they would toss into a home and declare trash so they would get paid for debris removal. Pick them up and on do it at the next home. Did it for YEARS! As a reciepient of this type of behavior, on the chargeback end, I know it would never be tolerated again!
 

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Zoly,

As long as you are a licensed Home Inspector in your State everything should be OK. I would have to assume you are not licensed since you would not degrade yourself out at those prices....


Cleanupman,

I always find it such a "conflict of interest" to have 1 contractor "grading" another contractor when there is a means of earning an income. All this breeds is a contractor going to a property, under the guise of an inspection, for a measly little trip charge and "finding" something to generate monies. Heck I know a fella that used to have trash bags filled with balloons that they would toss into a home and declare trash so they would get paid for debris removal. Pick them up and on do it at the next home. Did it for YEARS! As a reciepient of this type of behavior, on the chargeback end, I know it would never be tolerated again!
When I got sent out by FAS for a reocc maid that was done incorrectly , under stove that was removed was greasy and where the reefer was was that had been removed also the same like the compressor lost a seal and leaked grease. "we'll give you 15 to reclean the house" was the responce along with removing the aluminum foil from the windows that had it GLUED on. NO send back the original vendor " well they are 200 miles away" crickets chirp. I am NOT doing it. NOt for 15 dollars? NO

Making policies that they don't enforce is like trying not to stink when uriniating into the wind.
They are going to lose vendors and that will be the start of the downward spiral of Cyprixx, just like FAS history is repeating
 

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wow! history repeats itself, the sad thing is that there are going to be people who take total advantage of this and look at it as a way to make extra money. when fas did this how many companies hired a specific person as a vendor b just to go out an backcharge the crap out of other companies because it becomes a new way of profit like a new $150 allowable. this is horrible and a way for cyprexx to turn the vendors against eachother. just remember, how you would feel being backcharged $475 for not filling holes on the second acre of a property(personal experience!). vendors need to work together and help eachother out not gang up on eachother when these new procedures roll out. just keep your morals during your inspections and you will be fine:) good luck!
 

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I think a lot of these are occupancy inspections and liabilities more than messy. At least I think that is their primary purpose. The volume promised is great, it will cost me about $20 worse case to drive 100 miles. I live near two area where everything is pretty close. Doing 10-20 inspections a day is less taxing on me and less money but it's still 50k a year before expenses. When I was looking to start this I only considered it because I figured my fiancee could go out on her own and do these after she understands how.

I'm sure they do want me to check for other people's **** ups and we all have this problem where we complain that the low quality work is ruining the business but we also hate that inspectors are giving us back charges.

Here is the checklist.

One thing about the inspectors being vendor vs vendor. For Cyprexx you can't work as an inspector and preservationist at the same time. I asked specifically on the phone when she first contacted me. So failing a property won't do you any good as an inspector. Ultimately the inspector isn't making the decisions as far as I know either. Just take pics of what they tell you to. I'm just not sure if they're going to be mostly occupancy or if I'm going to be spending a lot of time looking at everything.

Securing:
  •  All exterior door locks are to be rekeyed to the Kwikset code on service order. Please be advised decorative door knobs may be serviced differently; please discuss the situation with your property coordinator for special instructions.
  •  Secure the interior garage door leading from the home to the attached garage. Also, all overhead garage doors must be secured as well. Garage doors secured with padlock and/or chain.
  •  All exterior buildings secured with padlocks.
  •  The lockbox is coded per your service order and hung on or near front door.
  •  Pools are secured at gates and/or screen doors.
  •  Perimeter fence gates are secured with padlocks.
  •  Sliding doors are properly secured with a charley bar or wooden dow.
  •  Closets housing water heaters secured with padlock.
  •  Advise if any doors are boarded or screwed shut.
Interior Clean*:
  •  Kitchen:
  • o Cabinets and pantry are emptied and cleaned.
  • o Counter tops are cleaned and wiped.
  • o Sinks and faucets are cleaned.
  • o The refrigerator is cleaned inside and out. All magnets should be removed. If the appliance is in disrepair and/or cannot be cleaned, please advise your property coordinator and provide photo-documentation as you may be required to remove the appliance.
  • o The range and oven are cleaned. The Vent-A-Hood is cleaned.
  • o The dishwasher is emptied and cleaned.
  • o Air freshener is placed in the kitchen.
  • o Trash compactor emptied and cleaned.
  • o Microwave cleaned and wiped out.
  •  Bathroom:
  • o Cabinets/medicine cabinets/closets/ drawers are emptied and cleaned. o Counter tops/ vanity tops and mirrors are cleaned.
  • o The tubs, showers, sinks, faucets and toilets are cleaned.

Exterior:
  •  Lawn edged including walkways/driveways/foundations.
  •  All debris is removed and is properly disposed. (Personal property with a garage sale value of $300 may be consolidated and stored on site for 30 days. Please advise your property coordinator regarding ALL remaining personals.)
  •  The lawn is cut, trimmed raked and edged. Leaves, nuts, pinecones, and clippings are not to remain at the property they should be raked and removed
  •  Weeds/tall grass trimmed from fence lines & foundations
  •  Weeds/tall grass trimmed around sheds/outbuildings/porches/decks/patios.
  •  Shrubs and ornamental trees are trimmed to below window height and 8‖ minimum from house.
  •  All excess trimmings removed from property.
  •  Flower or Landscape beds are properly weeded.
  •  Walkways/driveways/patios/decks are swept, blown-off, and edged.
  •  Property line shrubs are trimmed.
  •  Vines are removed from fences/garage and the house.
  •  Dead plants or shrubs are removed.
  •  If the property has a pool with a screen enclosure, ensure that all screens are intact and free from tears or debris.
  •  Christmas lights are removed.
  •  Swing sets that do not bring value to the property are removed (check with coordinator).
  •  Doghouses are removed.
  •  Garages, patios, and outbuildings are cleaned and swept and free of cobwebs
  •  Vehicles towed (in accordance with city/county ordinances).
  •  Clotheslines and posts are removed.
  •  Exterior trash cans emptied.
  •  All exterior doors cleaned and wiped down – free of cobwebs.
  •  The front door (or primary entrance) should be clean and free from stains, cobwebs and atmospheric wear. Additionally, any cobwebs that accumulate around windows or patio entrances should be removed.
  •  All debris removed from crawl spaces, sheds, out-buildings.
  •  All debris removed from porches, decks. And flower beds.
  •  All exterior windows washed.
 

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This was a failed policy for FAS 4 years ago.So I'm wondering why Cyprexx would go this way, furthermore...why would FNMA allow this again when they know this process does not work?????

Cyprexx Procedure Directive R110

March 6, 2013
To: All Cyprexx preservation vendors
From: Ronnie Ory
First, I want to thank all of our vendor associates for the work you do for us. Being in your own business can be a challenge, and today it is as great a challenge as it has ever been. Again, thank you for your services. We hope Cyprexx is a good business partner.
While attempting to be a good business partner, we have a history of removing vendors only as a last resort after many warnings and repeated training to no avail.
We find that our quality of work in the field is slipping at the same time that our clients are demanding higher quality than ever. We need to reverse that and deliver the quality of service that is our hallmark.
Quality in our initial cleanups and maintenance is our number one concern. Entirely too many properties are being left in a less-than-complete condition and causing repeat trips by vendors and additional effort and attention from our staff. In some cases, the responsible vendor is slow to return and even then does not completely cure the issues. Sometimes, the issues continue until the maintenance vendor reports them. Starting property maintenance is delayed.
Internally, we are making changes and staff moves to be more responsive and accountable.
Effective immediately, if a property fails an inspection for any reason and the vendor has not responded within 48 hours, the coordinator will send another contractor out to remedy the problems and the cost will be charged back to the initial vendor. If any unsatisfactory condition exists when the maintenance vendor visits to begin services, the maintenance vendor is to cure the problem immediately, report and document with photos and begin services. This is pre-authorized up to $150. We will monitor this carefully to identify any abuse and the initial vendor will be charged back. If the cost of curing the problem is over $150, the maintenance vendor must notify the Cyprexx coordinator and will be given instructions.
The time and expense involved, for both vendors and Cyprexx, can be eliminated by doing a complete, on time, job during the first visit.
I personally apologize for having to deliver this rather stern message to the many vendors who do their job so well. It simply is necessary that we correct this drift towards a lower quality.
Ronnie J. Ory
Chairman of the Board
Cyprexx Services, LLC

Always baffles me when organizations do that same thing expecting different results...isn't there some sort of insanity thingsy that goes along with that?????

They had this message on there website login, had to read before u could do anything!

Cyprexx is a very low pay! Fan Mae flat rate (lawn,debris sales clean) for $400 and recut $35 maids $25! They have alway been filler work for me!
 

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When I got sent out by FAS for a reocc maid that was done incorrectly , under stove that was removed was greasy and where the reefer was was that had been removed also the same like the compressor lost a seal and leaked grease. "we'll give you 15 to reclean the house" was the responce along with removing the aluminum foil from the windows that had it GLUED on. NO send back the original vendor " well they are 200 miles away" crickets chirp. I am NOT doing it. NOt for 15 dollars? NO

Making policies that they don't enforce is like trying not to stink when uriniating into the wind.
They are going to lose vendors and that will be the start of the downward spiral of Cyprixx, just like FAS history is repeating

Ya, FAS`s vendor B crap! that was the beginning of the end for me with them! Nothing piss you off worse than to be charged back on work being done to go to the property and it look just the same as it did when you left it! So your already low priced cleanout got reduced more by this type of crap!
 

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You should know that you will be working for less than minimum wage. Unless the counties you cover are less than 20 miles square, by the time you pay fuel, maintenance, replace cost for you vehicle, you aren't making much. I only take an inspection if I am in that town. I'll be damn to drive anywhere for $15. Do a breakeven analysis and find out what you are really making. It will surprise you.
I agree! I tryed the doing inspection for $15 for IMS! My wife would them in her Honda! We would gross about $ 900 a month doing them! Maybe $500 to $550 after buying gas! We stopped doing them after a couple of months!
 

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Here's some more information about the types of inspections they do. I just asked her to clarify for me.

NON FHA | FHA PRESALE | FHA POSTSALE

Service Descriptions
Quality control inspection to verify property
preservation initial services were completed
properly. INTERIOR/EXTERIOR

Photo Guidelines
Long Shot both directions down the street Nearest Street sign, address
verification on front of house or mailbox all 4 sides of the dwelling, and photos
for any deficiencies (access, securing, damages,(such as ceiling or roof damage, missing appliances, water damage, stripped copper etc.) also noted on the report.

Insp-FDIC/Prescient/PCR

Service Description
If occupied, please only do an exterior inspection. If vacant, a full interior/exterior.

Photo Guidelines
Street sign, address verification, all 4 sides of the dwelling, and a full set of interior photos.

QB OCCInspection

Service Description
Exterior Only

Photo Guidelines
Long shot down the street both ways, Nearest Street sign, address verification, view of all 4 sides of asset, any out buildings, and photo documentation to support your damage or issue findings. Exterior Only
 

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I agree! I tryed the doing inspection for $15 for IMS! My wife would them in her Honda! We would gross about $ 900 a month doing them! Maybe $500 to $550 after buying gas! We stopped doing them after a couple of months!
Around how many were you guys doing per day?
 

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this is another company we've been saying no to...sure glad we did......
 

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That sure seems like a ton of pictures and forms to have to fill out for $15. Not worth it to me, especially after all the computer time to upload that crap.
 
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