In my area there is no money for trashout's,i will take re cuts and re cleans all day every day.
Trash out's are some of the best money. You just have to hook up with company's that pay decent per cube.Gypsos said:Hi All,
I am new to the forums here. I have been doing PP work for a little over a year now. It isn't too bad. No worse that being a drywall contractor. I did that for over 10 years.
I have worked for a couple of different companies and dropped one of them because they pay was too low and the jobs were too far apart to be profitable. I want to add more companies so I am not depending on only one source for work.
We stopped doing cleanouts about 8 months back because they money wasn't there. We have been doing maintenance cuts and cleans, but would like to do cleanouts again if we can find someone who pays what is agreed on.
Any info or advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
If your not making money on trashouts I'm guessing your doing bundle work? If you are bidding at $40-$50 per yard and doing it correctly, there is no way to lose money.Gypsos said:We stopped doing cleanouts about 8 months back because they money wasn't there.
I'm about 20 miles west but do 90% of my work in Philly. I did a bid for you at Nandina.a1propertyclean said:BigDaddyPin, where in Philadelphia are you?
Linda
Yes, you did. I thought, by your posting, I might know you. And I do.BigDaddyPin said:I'm about 20 miles west but do 90% of my work in Philly. I did a bid for you at Nandina.
Alot of mine are bundles,but now I have it set up that they pay for dumpster.When I bid trash out's I am always at the 40 per cubic yard but i maybe get 1 out of 10 of those.My local competitor is all about FAS so when he gets different work orders for bids on trash out he maxes out at like 25 c/y from different vendorsBigDaddyPin said:If your not making money on trashouts I'm guessing your doing bundle work? If you are bidding at $40-$50 per yard and doing it correctly, there is no way to lose money.
We do mainly repair work but we take all of the big trashouts when they come up! I would say at least 90% of the time I make MORE money with metal and paper then I pay for trash at the dump. So for a 40 yard trashout at $2,000 it cost me $300 for labor (2 guys) and fuel and overhead for the day ($200) im looking at $1500 profit.
I never lost money doing a trashout, but then again I don't bundle trashouts upto 40 yards, sales clean, lawn cut, winterization for $500
Anything under 40 yards ($2,000) I usually get approved thru the brokers with no additional bids which is nice. Over 40 yards I will drop a little so a 60 yard I normally charge $2,400.MKM Landscaping said:Alot of mine are bundles,but now I have it set up that they pay for dumpster.When I bid trash out's I am always at the 40 per cubic yard but i maybe get 1 out of 10 of those.My local competitor is all about FAS so when he gets different work orders for bids on trash out he maxes out at like 25 c/y from different vendors
Besides bundle packages, what are nationals paying per yard? $30-$35?MKM Landscaping said:You have what we all want,you have the brokers.I have no broker connections.
On a side note I did get a real big real estate investor up here intersted in buying into my company today.He scavenges these hud homes up and wants to buy into my company.After my meeting he was talking about buying some new equipment for us,he has the brokers in his pocket.
Sorting in a room literally adds minutes, it's not even noticeable. The clothes, metal and paper are loaded in the box truck and taken back to my shop.mbobbish734 said:Bigdaddy how much extra time does it take you to move stuff around 2-3 times then take it to where ever your recycling? Seems like there are times to recycle some stuff, but to go room to room stacking sorting and what not, I'd already have the trailer or dumpster loaded and of to the next.?
It's seems it all works out for you, great. Here you can spend 2 or more hours at the scrap yard. It's amazing how we all do the same tasks but in different parts it still works out different. An example is trailers vs dumpster. In some areas using trailers are the cheapest way to go . In my area if its 30 yrd or more a dumpster is cheaper.:thumbsup:BigDaddyPin said:Sorting in a room literally adds minutes, it's not even noticeable. The clothes, metal and paper are loaded in the box truck and taken back to my shop.
There are 3 bins for clothes in an empty parking lot that I have to drive past to get to my shop so that's the first stop which takes maybe 3-5 mins to unload depending on amount of bags.
Once at the shop all ferrous metals are loaded into one of my dump trailers until its full, then I just take it to the scrap yard which I pass about 15 on any given day in Philly. Total time to weigh in, dump, weigh out and get paid is maybe 15-20 min. Usually $200-$400 weekly load.
All of the non ferrous metals are stacked and whenever there is a slow day or it builds up I spend a day breaking everything down and separating. This is usually done about every 2 months and usually generates about $1500-$2000 worth of cable, brass, copper, aluminum at the scrap yard.
The paper is stacked until I have enough to fill a dump trailer, then I load it with the skid steer and take to the paper manufacturer which again, I drive past everyday on the expressway. Total time to load and then unload is probably 30 min. Usually I take a load every 4-5 weeks and collect about $350-$500
I think it's worth my time or I wouldn't do it.
If you think it's better to just load the dumpster and move on, that's fine too.
I hear you. If I lived someone where I didn't have so many resources so close it may be a different story. I know paper is one thing that many people say they cant find anyone to sell it to, I am just lucky to have a place that I drive by everyday.mbobbish734 said:It's seems it all works out for you, great. Here you can spend 2 or more hours at the scrap yard. It's amazing how we all do the same tasks but in different parts it still works out different. An example is trailers vs dumpster. In some areas using trailers are the cheapest way to go . In my area if its 30 yrd or more a dumpster is cheaper.:thumbsup:
Sounds illegal to me. You cannot send someone an order approved for one amount, then change it after the work is completed.Gypsos said:It wasn't that we were losing money on the trashouts. We weren't. It was that after we agreed upon a price and the work orders were issued the person we dealt with would cut the price and issue a new work order for a lower price, after the work was done. A lot of people might just consider it the cost of doing business. I do not.
I have estimated literally thousands of jobs for commercial and residential construction. I know how to do my research and make sure of what the costs are, so when I give my lowest price it really is the least I am willing to work for.
What really got me was how obtuse she was about saying that she simply could not see that much work being done so she lowered the price to where she felt it should be.