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Does anyone on here work on the new hud contracts post convey and if so what do you do as far as testing the electrical when the power is off. I know the way they want you to do this and I still think it's unsafe. I have recently had some disputes on out dated electrical that they wanted tested or no 220 outlet to hook up to, that they wanted hook up straight to the panel boxes. I don't think this is legal or safe what so ever and am looking for ways to fight this. Any input is appreciated.
 

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First I would recommend not doing this. If you must check out an appliance you can use an extension cord to see if it works.

I know in many of the houses in my area copper thieves have damaged the electrical system to the point where we insure the system is de-energized by making sure all breakers are off.

There is also the risk that whomever was evicted sabotaged the system to make it unsafe as either a shock or fire hazard when energized.

Only a licensed electrician should be determining whether or not a house is safe to energize with any method. He is trained and insured for this type of work, odds are you are not.

I would recommend learning the local regulations regarding the legalities of back feeding an electrical panel. You could get a brand new orange jumpsuit for doing this illegally.

You should contact a licensed electrical contractor in your area. He should know the various laws and codes as they would apply to this for your area.

Also, there is a very good change that your workers comp and general liability insurance does not cover this type of work and if someone is injured or a fire results you will end up paying out of pocket for everything.

As far as fighting it goes. If you must hire a licensed electrician to do this, if it is legal, get a quote add 25% to it and tell them this what is costs to legally perform this service in your area.

If they pay it you are covered. If they refuse then you cannot do it because they did not want to pay for it.
 

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Does anyone on here work on the new hud contracts post convey and if so what do you do as far as testing the electrical when the power is off. I know the way they want you to do this and I still think it's unsafe. I have recently had some disputes on out dated electrical that they wanted tested or no 220 outlet to hook up to, that they wanted hook up straight to the panel boxes. I don't think this is legal or safe what so ever and am looking for ways to fight this. Any input is appreciated.
The simple answer is it VIOLATES the National Electric Code. Check with your insurance provider and see how quickly they will deny the coverage when you burn down a house doing this. Or worse, hurt a lineman, yourself or employee. If you are thinking about doing this for Sentinel or someone subbing their crap pay HPIR's (Sentinel has Iowa), tell them to go pack sand.........
 

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How are you confirming there are no subpanels, secondary meters, direct wired circuits? Had a gal cross wires in the basement once and busted the gas valve open before she vacated the property. My guys go in to do their job and almost blew the house up. My insurance agent would have needed a box of pens to write enough checks to cover that one, and one to cancel me.
They can put whatever they want into a work order and claim you are liable to do it; doesn't mean you can, should, or are able.
 

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So do you folks have a website with a paragraph or book that states this is illegal and against national electric code? We need to find a way to stop these sub company's from requesting this type of work.
 

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Every municipality is different. You can make a call to the local utility and confirm their policy on backfeeding; we just got to the point where we state we do not backfeed systems due to local ordinance, tampering, insurance, requires licensed electrician, etc, etc.
I'll twist it a bit and compare it to DUI. The limit may be .08 in Davenport and 1.4 in Lousiville. So when is it ok to get behind the wheel?
 

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So do you folks have a website with a paragraph or book that states this is illegal and against national electric code? We need to find a way to stop these sub company's from requesting this type of work.
I posted this a couple months back in another thread.......

Also, take 5 minutes out of your day and call your insurance agent and tell them what you are planning on doing. I'd bet a case of beer you won't do it after telling your agent you plan on messing around backfeeding the power grid.........


Correct. As I posted on the FB page, in any state that follows the NEC code it is illegal to backfeed an electrical system. And if there is one that doesn't follow NEC, still DO NOT BACKFEED.

NEC 702.6 specifies that the transfer equipment shall be installed to prevent paralleling of the normal (Utility) and alternate (Generator) sources

I have a good friend of mine who interned at a South Dakota power plant. He told me a story when a turbine was brought back online out of phase with the electrical grid. He said a couple million dollar turbine jumped 8' off the floor and destroyed it. The guy who did it got fired on the spot.

In a previous life, I earned a bachelors degree in electrical engineering. So I'm a tad more intelligent than the cubicle jockey telling me to backfeed. The US grid runs a 60 Hz AC signal. The voltages at the power pole are much higher than the 240V dryer plug. I am not taking the liability for destroying a pole mounted transformer or worse yet hurting a utility worker.

Backup generators are installed frequently and are done safely using permanent methods. Those methods do NOT include your 5kW portable generator plugged into the dryer plug :no::no:
 

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The simple answer is it VIOLATES the National Electric Code. Check with your insurance provider and see how quickly they will deny the coverage when you burn down a house doing this. Or worse, hurt a lineman, yourself or employee. If you are thinking about doing this for Sentinel or someone subbing their crap pay HPIR's (Sentinel has Iowa), tell them to go pack sand.........
Sentinal states in its instructions now that if the electricity is not on you may state that without electricity only a visual check has been completed and answer NO to the electical system check. This always passes QC for me. For electrical work like this we bid for a licensed electrician. Sometimes we get it, sometimes we don't.
 

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Sentinal states in its instructions now that if the electricity is not on you may state that without electricity only a visual check has been completed and answer NO to the electical system check. This always passes QC for me. For electrical work like this we bid for a licensed electrician. Sometimes we get it, sometimes we don't.
When we follow these guidelines.....they change the wording on the paperwork from visual check to....generator:glare:
 

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When we follow these guidelines.....they change the wording on the paperwork from visual check to....generator:glare:
Would you be to willing to send me (private message) the instructions stating to use a generator? Any training slides, work order instructions, email correspondence, anything. You can scrub out property information. What I'm looking for is: The company name and directions that they are providing to back feed or use a generator.
 

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IN NJ you need a specialized license for electrical --- We make it a point to let any of our contracts know that we do NOT perform any electrical work and send back any order requesting electrical with a bid for third party electrician- a few companies have undermined this by stating please test ...provide bid and state DO NOT PLACE BID FOR THIRD PARTY ELECTRICIAN. I send these back- we are not electricians- The way they want you to test it is not safe do not do it, you burn the house down, you will be liable, you damage the house, you will be liable- your insurance, unless you are an electrician, will not cover the damages, and most importantly, if you injure yourself they won't give a s--- So place a bid for a licensed electrician- that would be the safest thing to do
 

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You can not back feed in any way, sort, or fashion, from a generator to a panel or through any 220v receptacle. Per national electric code. You can only use a generator on a structure if it is hardwired and has an automatic throw switch to secure power from being back charged into utility lines. It also can not be run on gasoline, only propane or natural gas. It has to be installed by a certified electrician with power company on site during installation. I was a fire Marshall for many years. If you are caught back feeding by the power company or any law enforcement of any kind. It is a $10,000 fine and up to one year in jail. Its highly illegal. Even with the meter removed. DONT DO IT! I personally know one individual in Texas who was caught doing this. He was fined and had to go to court. He was given a warning nut still had to pay a fine. The company he worked for (national known company), paid the fine, but fired him when they were the ones requiring him to do so. Just don't do it!! Walk away and tell them no. Its for your own good.
 
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