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This is the Anti Anti Post on the P&P Business. Not all has been bad!

P&P business enabled our business to:

Pay cash for new Ford F250 4x4 trucks
Pay cash for new building 44x64 2 story tall
Pay for all the educational requirments to travel the country attending schools for a "secondary business" that has grown into our Primary Business
Pay cash for all our remediation equipment
Pay cash for all our general contracting equipment
Pay cash for 9 trailers (dump trailers and landscaping trailers)
Pay cash for skidsteer and skidsteer trailer
Pay cash for numerous trips
Pay cash for 36' new 5th wheel for our "mobile office"

This is not to brag since this is able to be done/accomplished by anyone in this business. It takes savvy, it takes determination, it takes risk taking, it takes working 24/7 and the best negotiation skills that the contractor can muster!

Discounts? All are negotiable! FAS 10%, MCS 15%, Safeguard 12%. There are things that P&P Contractors can learn.

I have helped many P&P contractors to accomplish the same success and I KNOW it can be done.

Is it harder today? YES
Is the pay being quoted to the contractors less? YES

It still can be done! Might take longer.

I quit the P&P business with ALL Nationals/Regionals effective 11/1/11 due to a number of reasons and I am busier now than ever before. No discounts, No timetables and NO chargebacks.

I now work WITH the Preservation business and not FOR the preservation business. Big difference.

Like any business the only thing of true value is YOU.

GOOD DAY!

p.s. thank you Paradox for making us think of the possibilities. Youth make us old timers have to sit back and contemplate. For that I say Thanks:thumbsup:
 

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FremontREO said:
This is the Anti Anti Post on the P&P Business. Not all has been bad!

P&P business enabled our business to:

Pay cash for new Ford F250 4x4 trucks
Pay cash for new building 44x64 2 story tall
Pay for all the educational requirments to travel the country attending schools for a "secondary business" that has grown into our Primary Business
Pay cash for all our remediation equipment
Pay cash for all our general contracting equipment
Pay cash for 9 trailers (dump trailers and landscaping trailers)
Pay cash for skidsteer and skidsteer trailer
Pay cash for numerous trips
Pay cash for 36' new 5th wheel for our "mobile office"

This is not to brag since this is able to be done/accomplished by anyone in this business. It takes savvy, it takes determination, it takes risk taking, it takes working 24/7 and the best negotiation skills that the contractor can muster!

Discounts? All are negotiable! FAS 10%, MCS 15%, Safeguard 12%. There are things that P&P Contractors can learn.

I have helped many P&P contractors to accomplish the same success and I KNOW it can be done.

Is it harder today? YES
Is the pay being quoted to the contractors less? YES

It still can be done! Might take longer.

I quit the P&P business with ALL Nationals/Regionals effective 11/1/11 due to a number of reasons and I am busier now than ever before. No discounts, No timetables and NO chargebacks.

I now work WITH the Preservation business and not FOR the preservation business. Big difference.

Like any business the only thing of true value is YOU.

GOOD DAY!

p.s. thank you Paradox for making us think of the possibilities. Youth make us old timers have to sit back and contemplate. For that I say Thanks:thumbsup:
Great Post man! This is the kind of stuff I want to know. How to do it? What works what doesn't? Positive stuff not whining and complaining.
 

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We use the same business practices. We are cash only. No debt.
It take determination and very hard work. When you can do this in business you free yourself from the dependency on every crumb a client gives you. You quit paying to work for your customers.
This is not something you can start and finish in 30 days, it becomes a lifestyle, but if you stick with it and push thru the hard times you will not regret it.
We started out with two people, one truck and a borrowed trailer.
All our equipment, land, real estate, etc is now fully paid for free and clear. It's no fun having a entry level cubicle rat from some national tell you how to do a job, when you will do it and how little you will be paid, or else. It is however, refreshing to have the ability to say "No" to a National and not worry if they will never send you work again.
 

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We use the same business practices. We are cash only. No debt.
It take determination and very hard work. When you can do this in business you free yourself from the dependency on every crumb a client gives you. You quit paying to work for your customers.
This is not something you can start and finish in 30 days, it becomes a lifestyle, but if you stick with it and push thru the hard times you will not regret it.
We started out with two people, one truck and a borrowed trailer.
All our equipment, land, real estate, etc is now fully paid for free and clear. It's no fun having a entry level cubicle rat from some national tell you how to do a job, when you will do it and how little you will be paid, or else. It is however, refreshing to have the ability to say "No" to a National and not worry if they will never send you work again.
Yeah, No is a GREAT word isn't it! I'm in the same boat but for different reasons. I almost went broke in in the mid 2000's I started listening to Dave Ramseyand have been cash ever since. Just under 4 years in P&P has bought me:

5 trailers
Commercial truck mount carpet extractor
Portable extractor
2 gas powered air compressors
2 Commercial zero turns
Billy Goat brush mower
4x4 4 wheeler for plowing small accounts
Fisher Vee plow for large accounts
New to me 1 ton truck
30 HP compact tractor,loader, tiller and mower
and numerous other small tools and equipment.


While it has been a good ride it could have been a lot better if the rates where not run down so low by people willing to work for nearly nothing..............
 
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And on a side note: Dave Ramsey should be a required course for high school students.
 

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And on a side note: Dave Ramsey should be a required course for high school students.

Damn straight. College too but the credit card companies would go ballistic about that.......
 
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And on a side note: Dave Ramsey should be a required course for high school students.

AGREED! Found Dave Ramsey back in 2003 and it changed our life!
 
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so im taking all of you took this dave ramsey class and got rich???
"Rich" is a very subjective term. The class essentially teaches you about the evils of credit, how to live within your means, the benefits of paying with cash, and how to build wealth no matter your income.

The solution to the current economic situation is to elect Dave Ramsey as "U.S. Money Czar." All new budgets/spending proposals have to have his stamp in order to be passed.
 

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paradox i think most normal people know using credit is not good,but some really have no choice in life if they survive,not saying his classes are not good or are'nt beneficial,just average person should know this.some will never live within their means no matter what,1 reason is they think they cant lose their job,ive seen it time after time then they have no clue what to do.
 

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Here's my opinion (mirrors Dave in many ways) I was a fan of Dave Ramsey BEFORE i got into P&P but when i started doing property inspections for banks 4 years ago i became a true believer. While doing inspections i would pull up in front of nice homes. Out front would sit a late model pickup, new sport utility, Camper, Boat, 4 wheelers, a couple of snowmobiles, satellite TV, Big screen through the window Etc. One of the spouses would loose their job and BAM! Can't afford the house payment! You know damn well they didn't PAY for the vehicles and toys, they had notes on them. I would venture to guess 1/2 of the foreclosures are caused by people having to much crap and NO savings.

If you can't pay for it in cash, (toys, tv's, furniture etc.) do you really need it? If your struggling why not cut off the cable and read a book or newspaper? Cook at home and pack your lunch for work! Beans and rice go a LONG WAYS! For one pizza delivered i can feed a family of 4 supper for 3-4 nights! Taking a family of 4 to the movies 1 night will rent 2 movies from a redbox every Friday night for 3 months. Putting 3-400 into your old vehicle is only 1 months payment on a new rig!

Vehicle example, I own a 92 Ford Explorer. Bought it with cash in 2007 with 92,000 miles on it for $2400. I have put 1 set of tires, 1 set of plugs and wires, 1 set of brakes on the front, 1 water pump, 1 starter and resealed the valve covers. Totsl cost of around $1000. Today it has 159,000 miles on it. Now buy a new one and put 67,000 miles on it and tell me what it's worth compared to what you bought it for. I have less in my old explorer in 5 years than i would have had in 1 year of new payments. I can still sell mine for $1500 so for what i have had to put into it the old Explorer has cost me .03 cents a mile. Not to mention that i put permanent license plates on it when i bought it for $125 (one time fee on a 10+ year vehicle for life) and a new explorer would cost me $400 for plates for the 1st 4 years. Waaaay to many people in this country live Waaaay to far beyond their means. That is the biggest problem IMHO.
 

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totally agree mtmt i drive a 94 ranger and it problaby runs as good as any new 1 on the road,almost 300,000 miles on it...we know what we all need to do,question is how many do it though
 

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Here's my opinion (mirrors Dave in many ways) I was a fan of Dave Ramsey BEFORE i got into P&P but when i started doing property inspections for banks 4 years ago i became a true believer. While doing inspections i would pull up in front of nice homes. Out front would sit a late model pickup, new sport utility, Camper, Boat, 4 wheelers, a couple of snowmobiles, satellite TV, Big screen through the window Etc. One of the spouses would loose their job and BAM! Can't afford the house payment! You know damn well they didn't PAY for the vehicles and toys, they had notes on them. I would venture to guess 1/2 of the foreclosures are caused by people having to much crap and NO savings.

If you can't pay for it in cash, (toys, tv's, furniture etc.) do you really need it? If your struggling why not cut off the cable and read a book or newspaper? Cook at home and pack your lunch for work! Beans and rice go a LONG WAYS! For one pizza delivered i can feed a family of 4 supper for 3-4 nights! Taking a family of 4 to the movies 1 night will rent 2 movies from a redbox every Friday night for 3 months. Putting 3-400 into your old vehicle is only 1 months payment on a new rig!

Vehicle example, I own a 92 Ford Explorer. Bought it with cash in 2007 with 92,000 miles on it for $2400. I have put 1 set of tires, 1 set of plugs and wires, 1 set of brakes on the front, 1 water pump, 1 starter and resealed the valve covers. Totsl cost of around $1000. Today it has 159,000 miles on it. Now buy a new one and put 67,000 miles on it and tell me what it's worth compared to what you bought it for. I have less in my old explorer in 5 years than i would have had in 1 year of new payments. I can still sell mine for $1500 so for what i have had to put into it the old Explorer has cost me .03 cents a mile. Not to mention that i put permanent license plates on it when i bought it for $125 (one time fee on a 10+ year vehicle for life) and a new explorer would cost me $400 for plates for the 1st 4 years. Waaaay to many people in this country live Waaaay to far beyond their means. That is the biggest problem IMHO.
Glad to see other like minded individuals on here.
 

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totally agree mtmt i drive a 94 ranger and it problaby runs as good as any new 1 on the road,almost 300,000 miles on it...we know what we all need to do,question is how many do it though
Sitting here watching the news right now and i see the big problem. People are too wrapped up in STUFF!!! 2 people shot at Wal-Mart getting STUFF for Christmas??? (things here in Montana where extremely quiet) WTF is wrong with people? Wonder how much debt people racked up today???? They MIGHT have got a good deal but when they get done paying the interest it won't look so rosy!!!!
 
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I thank the business

For letting me and the wife go to best buy last night and wait in line and get a nice 40 inch tv for 200 dollars,of course that was paid cash along with a nice new tablet.

The busines also let me put on a wonderful spread for all my family.The last year the landscaping business got real bad and thank god we where successful in getting in with a few nationals and they carried us for the year.I didn't want to lay off anybody and we still stayed 13 employees strong and we are looking to bring on a few more bodies for the winter season and beyond.

This business is a hard one but after reading post from the veterans,it was easy to stay on course
 

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For letting me and the wife go to best buy last night and wait in line and get a nice 40 inch tv for 200 dollars,of course that was paid cash along with a nice new tablet.

The busines also let me put on a wonderful spread for all my family.The last year the landscaping business got real bad and thank god we where successful in getting in with a few nationals and they carried us for the year.I didn't want to lay off anybody and we still stayed 13 employees strong and we are looking to bring on a few more bodies for the winter season and beyond.

This business is a hard one but after reading post from the veterans,it was easy to stay on course

Not to squash your TV joy but did you read the reviews on that TV? I was all set to buy one till i read up a bit. Still using a 15 yr old 26" box here...
 
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That I did not,for 200 just give me a year or 2.

I might get some heat for this but I am a big time american express kinda of guy.I have recieved some great tv's from them that have never been less than perfect.The 200 dollar one was for my wifes daycare she needed a tv for her business,hang it on the wall and hope it don't fall
 

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Glad to see other like minded individuals on here.




The only notes I have is the wife's car and the house.


The car will be paid for next year.



Its been painful to get here.

All of my quality used lawn care equipment along with my NEW lawn care trailer was cash money paid for in the spring..... thanks to the big Screw and the work they gave me over last winter.
 
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Discounts? All are negotiable! FAS 10%, MCS 15%, Safeguard 12%. There are things that P&P Contractors can learn.
I believe that is is able to be accomplished by being able to offer a wide territory that covers more than one state. I do not believe that just anyone can do this...
 
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