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I'm sure from this point foreward this winter most houses I'll see with initial secure and winterize will be froze-up. What formula do most of you guys use to bid a controled thaw and how long does a say 2000sf, house take?
 

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I'm sure from this point foreward this winter most houses I'll see with initial secure and winterize will be froze-up. What formula do most of you guys use to bid a controled thaw and how long does a say 2000sf, house take?
Name your price. I had a guy in Utah who charged bank owned homes $750 for a thaw. Because he felt they weren't working with people. And due to where we serviced and we were the only ones there, we got it every time. He had the only equipment in the area for 3 hrs of driving each way. Unless you knew someone there. I was new to Utah at the time and would just rent what I needed when I needed it. He would charge home owners $150.
 

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2000 sf -2500 sf = $1890.00
2501 sf - 3500 sf = $2700.00
 

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Per man, per hour, by distance, equipment and size of the house. Figure what you need to make it work and make a profit.
 

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Gary,

We learned the "hard way" that in Mn a LOT of the Cities require you to pull a Temporary Heating Permit. They don't cost much but the fines are BIG! Also, most of those Cities will not allow Propane Heaters and they must be indirect heaters placed outside home and hooked up to Utility Company Gas at the meter ($250 hookup with Xcel or Connexus). Be sure to include 24 hr monitoring on your bid since that was another requirement. We averaged probably $3500 per thaw and turned EVERY home that we did not get approval on into the City Building Insp office. Within weeks EVERYONE was completing thaws with permits and indirect heaters were hard to find...it didnt help that a new pipeline was being installed across Northern Mn so they were in short supply. I purchased 2 indirect 300,000 btu ducted heaters for only Mn.... that has its own fuel supply (gas/diesel or kerosene) Since we no longer work Mn those heaters are for sale cheap :)
 

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WOW... I really had no idea this was such a great big deal. I figured a couple chimney propane heaters for 24-48 hours and monitored three four times a day... I'm in a semi rural area but I'll call the local building officer and see what they have to say. I may be interested in your heaters!!
I may find that I LOVE A MN WINTER :thumbsup:
 

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Gary,

WE LOVED MN WINTERS!!!!

If you need to rent then we always got ours from onsiteheat.com great people and they will deliver and set up with all the temp hoses. NO Liability this way and no pipefitters license. We did have 1 stolen though when the guy in the house went to sleep on his cot and discovered (when it got cold) that the dang heater disappeared---in inner city Minneapolis where everything disappears :( Good thing we purchased the rental insurance.
 

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i mean its soup to nuts for this work for instance has it been below zero for a week ? is it a newer home that will hold heat ? or an old drafty farm house etc I had :whistling2:Friend:whistling2: who noted the boiler system was cryo tekked as it was predominantly summer homes in this area 4200 sq feet so he went out got 20 gals of diesel fired the boiler up took his indirect heat pics etc etc went to lunch and made a grand then the break fix repairs ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 

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I'm sure from this point foreward this winter most houses I'll see with initial secure and winterize will be froze-up. What formula do most of you guys use to bid a controled thaw and how long does a say 2000sf, house take?
I figure 2 guys at least a day (8 to 10 hours) minimum. It takes a long time to thaw a frozen water heater and all manual labor with heat guns under the cabinets to warm up the traps, etc. Don't forget when you blow out the lines and the "snot" comes out of the water heater, you need to bid to replace it.

This is of course for a decent house on a relatively mild day. Take a run down shack in the ghetto where all the windows are boarded and all bets are off.

Just make sure you bid it figuring the worst. You know damn well the bid will get approved the day of a 3' snow storm in 20 below temps and a wind chill of minu 45. Then I'll be a 24 hour rush job. :icon_rolleyes:
 

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You need to look at the protemp heater, they run on kerosone and can thaw a frozoen toilet and water heater in about 2hrs. We use 3 of them and that house is about 80degrees in 1hr. Best heater in the world, I love thawing. Our record is 4 houses at 1000 a pop in 1 day
 

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Hell I've seen guys hook up a power cable to the copper lines and energize the piping and melt the ice in 30 minutes BUT would I do this? Heck NO!

A solid freeze to a solid thaw is going to take 2 days minimum.
 

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I WILL NOT use kerosene. They STINK!! A 250,000 btu chimney heater and lots of fans. Heat the house up to about 90* early in the morning. Come back at 5 and it would still be 60*. Heat again to 90*, pull the equipment, lock up for the night and the house was thawed the next day and still around 50* inside.Used to get $1,000 per level but the nationals have gotten cheap......
 

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So, are these better than the Torpeedo heaters?
Torpedo type heaters will move heat around a house faster as they have fans, but they require power & fuel to operate. Chimney heaters only require fuel.
 

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Torpedo type heaters will move heat around a house faster as they have fans, but they require power & fuel to operate. Chimney heaters only require fuel.

Ditto that but these put off a LOT of heat and i would not recommend using them without at least 1 fan blowing over top of it as they WILL blister ceiling paint and melt mini blinds..........
 

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Ditto that but these put off a LOT of heat and i would not recommend using them without at least 1 fan blowing over top of it as they WILL blister ceiling paint and melt mini blinds..........
Yes these put out alot of heat. I just used two on a job this weekend on a three story 4500sf. they don't like the little {20#) propane bottles as they seem to pitter out and you have to shake the bottle...

As for fans, does anyone have a good 12 volt fan to eliminate the generator aspect here?
 

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OK, I'm an idiot. Now that I've gotten that out of the way... I gave out a bid back in early Dec. to pump out a hot tub (it was still in the form of "soft" water) thinking that someone would note that things will change quickly here in MN. on something like this. But reality has set in and I now find that the people on the other side of the paperwork have only now seen the wisdom of having this item drained. :censored::furious:........OK, so now what? This thing is now a large ice chunk and there is no way to drain it and I never put in the bid a time frame as to how long my bid was good for.:censored::cry:. Lesson learned there, but still have to get thru this order.....SO, what do you think? I'm planning on bringing an ice auger and putting a hole in the middle and dropping down a sump pump, taking all the neccasary pics and submiting a new bid to thaw...? How much?, how long? my $125.00 pumping just turned into how much $$$? to thaw?
 
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