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Anyone work with them? They contacted me through an ad I have running in craig's list stating they now have the contract with BAC in my state and they are looking for vendors. I jumped through all the obligatory hoops of the registration process, which included learning slighty new & different procedures from what I was used to in the past from other MFS co's., did a couple "webinars" issued them a cert., etc, was ready to do more webinars when a new term for me suddenly appeared in their emails: "lead paint cert.". Even if my company never comes in contact with lead paint, they stated BAC requires all it's subs to have this certification, period. For my company to acquire this cert, I would have to trravel to Vegas (UNLV), take a multi-day course, get a room for a few nights, food, gas, etc. Needless to say, this would be over $500.00 expense with absolutely no guarantee of initials work from them. I basically pulled the plug on the whole process stating I was not a gambling man, regardless of alleged potential in my area. Feedback?
 

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Anyone work with them? They contacted me through an ad I have running in craig's list stating they now have the contract with BAC in my state and they are looking for vendors. I jumped through all the obligatory hoops of the registration process, which included learning slighty new & different procedures from what I was used to in the past from other MFS co's., did a couple "webinars" issued them a cert., etc, was ready to do more webinars when a new term for me suddenly appeared in their emails: "lead paint cert.". Even if my company never comes in contact with lead paint, they stated BAC requires all it's subs to have this certification, period. For my company to acquire this cert, I would have to trravel to Vegas (UNLV), take a multi-day course, get a room for a few nights, food, gas, etc. Needless to say, this would be over $500.00 expense with absolutely no guarantee of initials work from them. I basically pulled the plug on the whole process stating I was not a gambling man, regardless of alleged potential in my area. Feedback?
You should have that certification anyways because you may come into contact with these properties. Safeguard, FAS and FAFS had us do this 2 years ago. I'm not aware of any national that doesn't have this requirement.
 
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You should have that certification anyways because you may come into contact with these properties. Safeguard, FAS and FAFS had us do this 2 years ago. I'm not aware of any national that doesn't have this requirement.
Not a peep from fas (or other nationals I work with) about this and I've been with them almost 3 years. And...I don't do rehab work.
 

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There is another thread regarding WSR and, if I recall correctly, I believe the reviews were unfavorable.

You might want to search the other threads and see what's been said before signing up with them.

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There is another thread regarding WSR and, if I recall correctly, I believe the reviews were unfavorable.

You might want to search the other threads and see what's been said before signing up with them.

Linda
Thanks for the tip Linda, but because I could not bear the time & expense of obtaining a lead paint cert., the registration process ended with them. Despite their "flat rate" all-inclusive initials jobs, which lke cyprexx, is hit or miss, my local listing agents all agree BAC is going to be a substantial player in my town, once they sort out all their foreclosure problems. So its kind of unfortunate things had to end b4 they began, because I believe most of the time the flat rate initials would have turned out favorably and would have been plentiful.
 

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thanohano44 said:
You should have that certification anyways because you may come into contact with these properties. Safeguard, FAS and FAFS had us do this 2 years ago. I'm not aware of any national that doesn't have this requirement.




NONE of the nationals I've been a direct vendor with have ever required it.

5 bros, safeguard, national field network, ocwen, cyprexx and I can't remember who all.
 
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NONE of the nationals I've been a direct vendor with have ever required it.

5 bros, safeguard, national field network, ocwen, cyprexx and I can't remember who all.
Last April when I was still dong rehabs for Cyprexx, they pulled all of my orders and made me get certified for lead. Maybe if you are only doing trashouts they don't bother you? But if you are doing any kind of repairs they make you get certified.
 
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Just wait....its coming to all of us boys and girls. No big deal to get the RRP Cert. Its old news. Remember YOU might not "touch" the lead paint but if you do something in a pre-1978 YOU HAD BETTER HAVE THE PAPERWORK SIGNED. BIG Brother is watching and they are "HUNGRY" for a piece of your profit!

Don't you all know that the P&P Crews are RICH!????
 
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...No big deal to get the RRP Cert. Its old news. .
can you be more specific about how much "no big deal" cost you in your time, gas, food and enrollment fees? I already heard one person's accounting, but it never hurts to get a second opinion / experience. Either way, the cost is prohibiting for me.
 
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In MN. the class will cost you about $200 and the firm cert another $300.
 
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In MN. the class will cost you about $200 and the firm cert another $300.
Yep, and the fines are substantially more.
 
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Call the EPA and find classes close to you or education providers who teach the RRP Course. Its 1 day long and most contractors will find there are courses close. Now the licensing fee's add up for sure but as Dreamweaver said the fines are greater.
 
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Hi.

No MFS requires a lead cert. WSR just sent us an e-mail saying that BAC has "delayed work orders" until January. Probably because no one is willing to spend a few days and $500 to get a cert that is only required by one company with no guaranteed work and a bad reputation.

We have been doing rehab work for years and no one has ever asked about a lead cert.
 

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Hi.

No MFS requires a lead cert. WSR just sent us an e-mail saying that BAC has "delayed work orders" until January. Probably because no one is willing to spend a few days and $500 to get a cert that is only required by one company with no guaranteed work and a bad reputation.

We have been doing rehab work for years and no one has ever asked about a lead cert.
Well, i got it 2 years ago because i would rather not take the risk of having my crews get sick from working in unsafe conditions and then fined for it. That can kill a business.
 
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SmrtyPnts said:
Hi.

No MFS requires a lead cert. WSR just sent us an e-mail saying that BAC has "delayed work orders" until January. Probably because no one is willing to spend a few days and $500 to get a cert that is only required by one company with no guaranteed work and a bad reputation.

We have been doing rehab work for years and no one has ever asked about a lead cert.
Yup...just got the same notice, despite my bagging the last few "webinars" and telling them I could not pop for the cert.
 
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Oh, one more thing about this: Why doesn't WSR get a lead paint cert for themselves, and then train their subcontractors on lead safety? I am annoyed by things like this. BAC is not willing to pay the rates required to hire a general contractor, yet they want to require their PNP folks to have all the certs of a general contractor.

Just annoying is all.
 

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Oh, one more thing about this: Why doesn't WSR get a lead paint cert for themselves, and then train their subcontractors on lead safety? I am annoyed by things like this. BAC is not willing to pay the rates required to hire a general contractor, yet they want to require their PNP folks to have all the certs of a general contractor.

Just annoying is all.
Agreed but in our contracts, we sign off that we meet all requirements to operate and complete the work within regulations and guidelines in the areas we perform work.
 
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Yes Than, you are correct, but most of us do not work in areas that require us to be general contractors. If we did, then we could not work for these companies because every job would be a loss on the licensing requirements alone.

Just saying that it's not very realistic for them to demand such certifications. Let the MFS be the one to get a GC license, with all the expensive insurance and certs. After all, they are basically getting paid for nothing, and they do have to live in the real world right along with the rest of us.
 
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Hello All,

My name is Robert Lopez and I am the Vendor Acquisition Lead here at WSR Preservation. After browsing the website, I came across this posting and decided to state why we ask for lead base paint certificate. First, I would like to say that, yes, we are lead base paint certified and a licensed general contractor. Below is a link to the EPA web site that provides more detail about the Fedarl Law for Lead Base Paint.

http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/renovation.htm#states

Next, I will insert a paragraph from our contract that states all sub-contractors shall comply with all Federal, state, and local laws, rules and regulation....

"Vendor shall comply with all Federal, state, and local laws, rules and regulation in performing the services under the Agreement which include, but are not limited to, removal of hazardous materials. Vendor shall have no authority to obligate WSR in any manner whatsoever and shall not represent or hold itself out to have such authority."

For the 2 contrractors that have spoke with us, if you have any more questions or concerns, you can PM me or email me directly.

BTW, Hi Linda! I've done work with you in the past.
 
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